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When I hear people say, "I lost faith,"

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I picture them giving up, no longer able to keep looking.

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It wasn't like that for me.

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I even thought, selfishly, witnessing a war would bring me closer to God.

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But the more I prayed, the more empty my prayers seemed.

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They were whispers into a void.

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I was looking for a sign. Any sign.

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But it was quiet.

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Yeah, I'm still here.
I'm listening.

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How can I help?

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Have you talked to
anyone at the VA?

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They have people who...

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No,
I understand.

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Thank you for saying that,
but I'm not...

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Matt, I'm not,
uh, qualified.

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Is there anyone at work?

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I mean, the NSA must be full
of other vets. Right?

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No, I get it.
Appearances matter.

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Sure.
Anything. Yeah.

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Hey. Sorry.
Give me a minute. I'm sorry. Hold on.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Let me ask around.
I'll find someone good. I will.

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I'll call you
as soon as I...

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But I'll be in the office
right after that.

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I'll get you a name. Okay?
I promise.

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Hey. Hey. Matt.

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Hey, hey, come on, man.

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Come on.
I was there.

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I get it.

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We're gonna get you some help.
Okay? I'll call you tomorrow.

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Maybe read Psalms
if you get a minute.

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There's some stuff in there
that always helps me.

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Love you too, buddy.
Bye.

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I'm sorry.

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You're the one
who wanted to talk.

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Sarah,
he was crying.

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Sorry. You know, I...
I like Matt.

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Is... Is he okay?

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I don't know. Uh...

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It was bad over there.

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It's always bad.
It was bad for you too.Yeah.

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But I was just there to write, not fight.
Big difference.

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Look, I really
have to get to work.

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- I got this, uh, interview.
- Interview, yeah. No, I heard.

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Hey, I want this... us
to work.

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Tell me what to do.
How many times do you want me to apologize?

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Stop apologizing. Just tell me the number.
I'll do it.

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Things happen.
How many times do I have to live through it?

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Things happen, but I'm here.
Now. I'm back.

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It's only been worse since you've been back,
Paul. I can't live like this.

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I can change. I can be better.
I want to be better.

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Can't we fix this? Fix?

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When trust in a marriage has been broken,
how do you fix that?

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You want to throw all this
away because of one mistake?

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It was my fault.
I get in my head sometimes.

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Can we at least talk
to someone? Anyone?

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Hey, hey.

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Can we... Can we talk tonight?
Please? Can we...

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I'm not sure I'll be here.
I need to think.

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You're gonna be late for your interview,
and I really have to get to work.

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Yeah.

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Good morning.

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Morning.

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Like clockwork,
you two.

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I'll call you later.

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Good morning.

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Sorry I'm late.
Uh...

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I had to...
Sorry I'm late.

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Oh, only five minutes.

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Still leaves us 25
minutes as agreed.

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Uh, right. Thirty minutes
today, tomorrow, and Friday.

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Mm-hmm. Everyone's, uh...

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Busy?

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That's right.
Everyone's busy.

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Are you okay?

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Oh. Yeah. Sorry.
I'm great.

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Sorry. Uh... Paul Asher.
With The Herald.

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Uh, I know
who you are.

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I know all your work.
I'm a fan.Thanks.

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Oh.

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Uh, sorry.
Do you mind?

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Okay.
A few ground rules.

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I'm recording this
conversation for accuracy.

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Also three sessions...
today, tomorrow, and Friday.

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When we're done I'll show you what I wrote,
but I retain editorial control.

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Do you agree? Agreed.

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And I expect
great things.

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Okay, but don't
get your hopes up.

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I cover religion
for a secular paper,

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and the stuff I write usually ends
up in the Lifestyles section.

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You're just being modest. Horoscopes
get better placement.

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Well, the reporting you did from
Afghanistan was very impressive.

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You followed that? Every word.

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Christians in combat?

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That must have been
a tough assignment.

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Tough on you.
Tough on your family.

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Tougher for others.

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I was just there to write.

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But I met
some amazing people.

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Well, I'd love to hear more about
your personal experiences over there.

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Yeah.
Maybe some other time.

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So, unless we're here
to play chess,

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let's talk about you.

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Do you play? Me? No.

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Never? When I was a kid.

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Anyway... But not anymore?

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My father used to
bring me here.

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I used to play a little back then.
Anyway...

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Shall we?

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Okay. Today is June 1. Please
say your name and spell it.

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I'm God. G-O-D.

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Okay. Great.

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Uh, let's start.

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Thanks for agreeing
to do this interview.

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Well, youagreed.

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But you're welcome.Oh.

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Can I get
a shot of you? Sure.

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So,
no problem you showing up in a photo?

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Well, I'm a deity,
not a vampire.

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I've gotta say,
you look human enough to me.

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And you know,
you look godlike to me.

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I get that. Genesis.
In his image.

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That's pretty funny. Thank you.

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So, uh, why did you agree
to do this interview?

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I talk to my children
all the time.

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I see.
So I'm one of your children. Of course.

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Okay, well, there's a name for people
you usually talk to like this.

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"Lucky"?

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I think I meant
"prophets." Oh, sure. Yes.

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That's what they're called afterI
speak to them, but before that...

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Many of them weren't too happy to see me
when I showed up. At least not at first.

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Right.

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A burning bush, a pillar of fire.
Pretty dramatic stuff.

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I'll bet people
freaked out. Oh, they did, they did.

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But, uh,
I got their attention.

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No burning bush today?

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Would you like that?

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Is that what you
really want?

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Okay.

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Um... uh, what exactly would you
like to see burst into flames?

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Something in this park
perhaps?

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Uh, how about
that pillar?

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Or maybe the tree,
huh?

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No, of course not.

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Well,
it's not necessary.

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You're here. I'm here.
We're already talking.

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Getting back to my question,
is that why you're here? Am I a prophet?

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Are you a prophet?

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Well...

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We're...
We're talking. Okay?

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Th-That's a start.

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Okay.

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Circle back to that.

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Okay, so you're God. The
God.

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The one who created everything.
Heaven and earth in six days.

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Uh, yep.
But, uh, then I rested.

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So, nice work. Thank you.

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I try.

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But i-is this really
what you wanted to know,

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just some biographical
information about my work?

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I'm sure you could read all
about it in a book somewhere.

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Well, sure, but you know, my readers
expect some fact-checking in my work.

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Facts. Yes.Mm-hmm.

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Yes,
always the facts.

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Okay. Fine.

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Well,
please continue.

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Uh... how old are you?

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Time is different for me
than it is for you.

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I mean, I exist
outside of time.

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After all,
I created time.

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Right.

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Where do you come from?

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Paul, I think this interview
would be more productive

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if we don't waste time on questions to
which you already know the answers.

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Okay. Moving on.

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Paul, I'm not
being difficult.

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I just... I just think
you of all people

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should know why my answers
might be confusing.

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I mean, if the, uh...
if the nature of God were obvious...

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Well, look at the world
around you

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and you will see
that it is not.

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So we struggle here on earth to know you, but I
assume you know all the questions and answers.

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Mm-hmm. Of course.

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Does that make you
feel uncomfortable?

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But then you know the answer
to that question too, right? Yes.

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But a divine perspective
is not required.

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Try to see this from my point of view.
This is not an easy process.

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No, I get it.

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Knowing all the questions
and all the answers

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must make human conversation
kind of difficult.

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Well, no one likes
a know-it-all.

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Right.Mm-hmm.

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All right, you said,
"you of all people" a few moments ago.

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You said, "You of all people should know why
my answers might be a little confusing."

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What do you mean by that?
Why me of all people?

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Well, you have a degree
in religious studies

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and a degree in journalism
from Loyola University,

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where you graduated
the top of your class.

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You started working at The
Herald in their online division

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right out of college,

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where you write about matters
of faith and theology.

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So you memorized
my online bio.Mm-hmm.

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And I also know
about your marriage.

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Excuse me?

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I know
about your marriage.

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Oh.

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You had me going
for a second.

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Yes, I did,
didn't I?

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You're waiting for me
to ask. Ask what?

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For proof.Ah.

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Proof that you are
who you say you are.

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Yeah, proof.

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Well, tell me, Paul,

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when you pray,
do you ask for proof that God is listening?

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No. Of course not.

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Then this is
your lucky day. How so?

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I'm here, answering
your questions.

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I hope
I'm being cooperative.

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You are.

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So, what do I tell the people
who say you don't exist?

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You tell them
that I understand,

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but the world they see
is just that.

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Sometimes that's
just the way it looks.

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That's a good answer.

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Good. I'm glad.

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You're a very good
interviewer, Paul.Thanks.

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Yeah, you've established trust,
established rapport.

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Yeah, you're not at all
condescending,

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and you want the truth
above all else.

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Yeah.
The truth would be cool.

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Well,
that's my specialty.

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Okay.
Uh, the lightning round and in no order.

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Lightning round.
That's cute.

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What is the meaning
of life?

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To live, to struggle,
to serve God,

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and to ask questions like,
"What is the meaning of life?"

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Are the Torah and the New
Testament the word of God?

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Of course. But as understood by
man and as translated by man.

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There's some
wiggle room there.

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No.

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Well, everyone has their own journey,
but there is only one path.

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Was there ever a time
when God didn't exist?

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- Well, I could give you the answer I gave Moses.
- Okay.

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I am that I am.

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Right.

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I should have known that.Yes.

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And it's as true today
as it was back then.

249
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Is there a heaven? Oh, yes.

250
00:16:58,347 --> 00:17:01,046
But try not to think of it
as just a place.

251
00:17:01,089 --> 00:17:03,396
So Satan is also real?

252
00:17:04,745 --> 00:17:07,791
Yes, but frankly,
Satan is overrated.

253
00:17:07,835 --> 00:17:10,142
Overrated?
That's a funny way to put it. How so?

254
00:17:10,185 --> 00:17:13,536
Well, he only has power to the
extent that you give it to him.

255
00:17:16,278 --> 00:17:18,237
What happens to us
after we die?

256
00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,978
You are reunited
with the everlasting.

257
00:17:21,022 --> 00:17:22,415
So my soul is immortal?

258
00:17:22,458 --> 00:17:25,113
Well, it wouldn't be
much of a soul if it wasn't.

259
00:17:27,333 --> 00:17:30,205
Can an atheist
be a moral person? Sure. Sure.

260
00:17:30,249 --> 00:17:34,514
And you can build a home
on no foundation.

261
00:17:34,557 --> 00:17:38,474
But you just better hope
that the earth never shakes.

262
00:17:42,609 --> 00:17:43,827
Is God love?

263
00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:48,789
He doesn't boast,
but yes, absolutely.

264
00:17:48,832 --> 00:17:52,923
What's 2,427 times 648?

265
00:17:52,967 --> 00:17:57,276
1,572,696.

266
00:18:02,542 --> 00:18:03,847
For real?

267
00:18:06,154 --> 00:18:08,025
I'm sorry.
Sorry. Sorry.

268
00:18:08,069 --> 00:18:10,376
No, that's all right.
God forgives.

269
00:18:10,419 --> 00:18:13,118
But this is
interesting. What's that?

270
00:18:13,161 --> 00:18:15,120
There's a lot of
good questions here,

271
00:18:15,163 --> 00:18:20,037
but you haven't asked me the one question
I get asked almost more than any other.

272
00:18:20,081 --> 00:18:22,866
No? What's that? Well, take a guess.

273
00:18:25,826 --> 00:18:27,828
Why do bad things happen
to good people?

274
00:18:27,871 --> 00:18:30,526
That's the one. No, that's not on my list.

275
00:18:30,570 --> 00:18:33,616
And frankly, I don't like
that question very much. No?

276
00:18:33,660 --> 00:18:35,183
Why not?

277
00:18:35,227 --> 00:18:39,405
Because it's not really a question, is it?
It's a complaint.

278
00:18:39,448 --> 00:18:42,451
What it really means is,
why do bad things happen to me?

279
00:18:42,495 --> 00:18:45,150
And the person asking is
assuming they're a good person,

280
00:18:45,193 --> 00:18:46,934
which seems arrogant to me.

281
00:18:46,977 --> 00:18:49,328
But, Paul,

282
00:18:49,371 --> 00:18:52,679
bad things do happen
to some very good people.

283
00:18:54,942 --> 00:18:56,813
It is
a big question.

284
00:18:58,250 --> 00:19:00,077
Yes. I know.

285
00:19:00,121 --> 00:19:02,254
I'll answer it
if you'd like.

286
00:19:05,257 --> 00:19:06,910
No. Let's move on.

287
00:19:07,998 --> 00:19:09,783
Okay.

288
00:19:13,569 --> 00:19:17,356
Does free will exist?
And how do we reconcile it with God's will?

289
00:19:18,922 --> 00:19:20,924
Finally.

290
00:19:20,968 --> 00:19:23,144
Finally?
What does that mean?

291
00:19:23,188 --> 00:19:25,494
It's an adverb
meaning "at last."

292
00:19:25,538 --> 00:19:28,671
Cute.
You know what I meant.

293
00:19:28,715 --> 00:19:31,892
No, finally you are asking me
some questions you care about.

294
00:19:31,935 --> 00:19:34,503
I care about
all the questions. Well, maybe.

295
00:19:34,547 --> 00:19:37,941
But you care about some of
the answers more than others.

296
00:19:37,985 --> 00:19:40,117
Look, this is not about me.

297
00:19:40,161 --> 00:19:41,728
Really?

298
00:19:43,382 --> 00:19:45,558
Does free will exist?

299
00:19:45,601 --> 00:19:48,125
Did I force you
to come to this meeting?

300
00:19:48,169 --> 00:19:49,997
Would I know it
if you did?

301
00:19:51,651 --> 00:19:53,827
That reminds me
of an old joke.

302
00:19:53,870 --> 00:19:55,829
A student goes to his rabbi
and says,

303
00:19:55,872 --> 00:19:58,397
"Rabbi, why do you
and the other rabbis

304
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,008
always answer my questions
with another question?"

305
00:20:01,051 --> 00:20:04,577
And the rabbi replies,
"So how should we answer?"

306
00:20:05,534 --> 00:20:08,320
Okay. You didn't laugh
at God's joke.

307
00:20:08,363 --> 00:20:11,236
So what does that say
about free will?

308
00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:14,108
Of course
there's free will, Paul,

309
00:20:14,151 --> 00:20:16,066
and everybody knows
this is true.

310
00:20:16,110 --> 00:20:20,680
The entire foundation of human law
depends on the existence of free will.

311
00:20:21,333 --> 00:20:23,378
Try going before a judge

312
00:20:23,422 --> 00:20:25,337
when you've been charged
with a crime.

313
00:20:25,380 --> 00:20:27,382
Blame your actions
on God's will.

314
00:20:27,426 --> 00:20:29,254
See how that
works out for you.Hmm.

315
00:20:29,297 --> 00:20:32,257
Now, does this mean that every
human act is a matter of free will?

316
00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:33,954
Of course not.

317
00:20:33,997 --> 00:20:37,784
No more than you can use free will
to grow back an amputated leg.

318
00:20:37,827 --> 00:20:40,656
So, stuff happens and God says,
"Hey, man, don't look at me."

319
00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:42,092
No. No.

320
00:20:42,136 --> 00:20:46,271
You have to understand
that my will and human free will

321
00:20:46,314 --> 00:20:47,881
are not contradictory

322
00:20:47,924 --> 00:20:50,405
because they are not two
versions of the same thing,

323
00:20:50,449 --> 00:20:53,060
but they do fit
perfectly together.

324
00:20:53,103 --> 00:20:55,018
I designed it that way.

325
00:20:55,062 --> 00:20:58,239
Yeah, but if I can't tell where
one begins and the other ends...

326
00:20:58,283 --> 00:20:59,980
Do you see my problem?

327
00:21:00,023 --> 00:21:02,417
Hmm.
Yeah, I think I see.

328
00:21:02,461 --> 00:21:03,940
Do you? Yeah.

329
00:21:03,984 --> 00:21:06,552
Is the problem that
you don't trust God's plan,

330
00:21:06,595 --> 00:21:08,597
or that
you don't trust yourself?

331
00:21:08,641 --> 00:21:11,905
Oh, great.
So, if God's got a plan, I'm covered. Right?

332
00:21:11,948 --> 00:21:14,951
I should've just stayed in bed,
because for all I know it's part of his plan.

333
00:21:14,995 --> 00:21:17,650
That's not what I'm
saying and you know it.

334
00:21:18,651 --> 00:21:20,740
All right. Look here.
Chess. Right?

335
00:21:20,783 --> 00:21:22,872
Pieces interact.
There's rules.Mm-hmm.

336
00:21:22,916 --> 00:21:24,526
There's give and take.

337
00:21:24,570 --> 00:21:27,486
But no two pieces can occupy the
same space at the same time.

338
00:21:27,529 --> 00:21:29,879
That's a lot like
you and me.

339
00:21:29,923 --> 00:21:31,620
People make choices,

340
00:21:31,664 --> 00:21:34,057
and those choices
have consequences.

341
00:21:34,101 --> 00:21:37,626
And if knowing my will were
part of every human decision,

342
00:21:37,670 --> 00:21:39,846
how would anything
ever happen, hmm?

343
00:21:40,847 --> 00:21:42,979
You'd be paralyzed
every morning,

344
00:21:43,023 --> 00:21:46,940
trying to decide whether to brush your
teeth vertically or horizontally.

345
00:21:46,983 --> 00:21:50,770
So, trying to know God's will
is, what, a waste of time? No. Not at all.

346
00:21:50,813 --> 00:21:53,381
Paul, I'm only telling you
what you already know.

347
00:21:55,514 --> 00:21:57,820
You have to make
your own choices,

348
00:21:57,864 --> 00:22:00,170
and you have to live
by those choices,

349
00:22:00,214 --> 00:22:02,782
no matter how
you arrived at them.

350
00:22:02,825 --> 00:22:03,913
Hmm.

351
00:22:04,914 --> 00:22:07,003
Tell me, when you
traveled to Afghanistan,

352
00:22:07,047 --> 00:22:09,179
which aspects of my will
did you consider?

353
00:22:09,223 --> 00:22:12,835
Or did you just think it's all my will,
so, hey, anything goes?

354
00:22:12,879 --> 00:22:17,100
Um, I think it was slightly
more complicated than that.

355
00:22:17,144 --> 00:22:20,495
You traveled 7,000 miles
into a war zone, Paul.

356
00:22:20,539 --> 00:22:23,063
War changes people.

357
00:22:23,106 --> 00:22:26,936
You had to have known a trip like
that would have consequences for you,

358
00:22:26,980 --> 00:22:28,982
and for your family.

359
00:22:29,025 --> 00:22:31,985
Or did you think
that you'd be different?

360
00:22:36,206 --> 00:22:39,384
I guess I was hoping God
would look out for me.

361
00:22:39,427 --> 00:22:41,386
"Hoping"?

362
00:22:41,429 --> 00:22:43,039
Praying.

363
00:22:44,258 --> 00:22:45,999
I prayed for my own safety.

364
00:22:46,042 --> 00:22:49,219
I prayed God would watch over the
soldiers I'd met and bring them home.

365
00:22:49,263 --> 00:22:51,918
I prayed my wife would be
okay while I was gone.

366
00:22:51,961 --> 00:22:54,660
I prayed I didn't do anything stupid.
I prayed a lot.

367
00:22:54,703 --> 00:22:56,836
Were your prayers
answered?

368
00:22:56,879 --> 00:22:59,491
I don't know.
Some, yes. Mostly, no.

369
00:23:00,622 --> 00:23:02,972
Would you like to
talk about that?

370
00:23:03,016 --> 00:23:05,410
Are you
the complaint department?

371
00:23:05,453 --> 00:23:08,021
I heard I was needed,
so I came.

372
00:23:08,064 --> 00:23:10,458
So, I think I'm here
to do an interview,

373
00:23:10,502 --> 00:23:13,069
but really what this is
is an intervention.

374
00:23:13,113 --> 00:23:15,637
Yes, but not in the way
you think it is.

375
00:23:15,681 --> 00:23:17,770
How do you know
what I think?

376
00:23:21,774 --> 00:23:23,776
Let's save that
for tomorrow.

377
00:23:25,604 --> 00:23:27,910
This is
a weird interview.Yeah.

378
00:23:27,954 --> 00:23:30,783
Okay, let's just call it a conversation.
Would that be better?

379
00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:33,568
Sorry. That's not
why they pay me.

380
00:23:33,612 --> 00:23:36,441
Oh. And that's why you're here.
For money.

381
00:23:36,484 --> 00:23:38,573
Why are we here?

382
00:23:38,617 --> 00:23:40,706
I heard I was needed,
so I came.

383
00:23:40,749 --> 00:23:43,099
A simple "thank you"
would suffice.

384
00:23:43,143 --> 00:23:46,276
Why do I deserve
your special attention?

385
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,843
Don't you?

386
00:23:47,887 --> 00:23:50,280
So you're here
to save me.

387
00:23:50,324 --> 00:23:51,978
Do you need saving?

388
00:23:52,021 --> 00:23:53,414
Doesn't everyone?

389
00:23:53,458 --> 00:23:56,112
Yes.

390
00:23:56,156 --> 00:23:58,854
But we're gonna do something
a little different this time.

391
00:23:58,898 --> 00:24:00,595
Oh? I'm gonna help you.

392
00:24:00,639 --> 00:24:02,684
You're gonna help me? Mm-hmm.

393
00:24:03,555 --> 00:24:05,818
I don't understand. I know.

394
00:24:07,297 --> 00:24:09,169
I know.

395
00:24:09,212 --> 00:24:10,953
But, uh, you will.

396
00:24:12,912 --> 00:24:14,261
And so...

397
00:24:14,304 --> 00:24:15,828
We're out of time.

398
00:24:16,829 --> 00:24:18,961
All right.

399
00:24:20,136 --> 00:24:21,964
Uh, see you tomorrow?

400
00:24:22,748 --> 00:24:24,489
Sure.
Same time and place?

401
00:24:24,532 --> 00:24:26,839
Well,
to be determined.

402
00:24:31,974 --> 00:24:34,020
Seriously.
What's all this about?

403
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:37,676
Uh, let's talk tomorrow.

404
00:28:34,913 --> 00:28:36,958
- Yeah.
- Um... Paul Asher.

405
00:28:37,002 --> 00:28:39,265
Hey, it's me.

406
00:28:39,308 --> 00:28:41,833
Oh, uh, hi.

407
00:28:41,876 --> 00:28:43,791
So, what happened
this morning?

408
00:28:43,835 --> 00:28:45,227
Did she leave?

409
00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:49,710
I don't know.
Um... I don't know.

410
00:28:49,754 --> 00:28:51,799
Oh.

411
00:28:51,843 --> 00:28:54,280
You sound a little, um... I'm sorry. I had...

412
00:28:54,323 --> 00:28:58,110
I just got into work.
I had a weird, strange morning.

413
00:28:59,459 --> 00:29:01,504
Can I see you later?

414
00:29:02,941 --> 00:29:04,812
Paul?
You there?

415
00:29:08,337 --> 00:29:09,774
Oh. Oh.

416
00:29:09,817 --> 00:29:11,732
Hey, uh,
can I call you later?

417
00:29:11,776 --> 00:29:14,126
Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay.

418
00:29:14,169 --> 00:29:16,171
Promise? Yeah. Will do.
Okay.

419
00:29:16,215 --> 00:29:18,260
Paul... Okay. Thanks.
Talk to you soon.

420
00:29:18,304 --> 00:29:19,522
Okay. Bye. Bye.

421
00:29:19,566 --> 00:29:21,611
Hey. Gary.

422
00:29:21,655 --> 00:29:22,961
Yeah, hey.

423
00:29:25,702 --> 00:29:27,574
What are you
doing here?

424
00:29:28,662 --> 00:29:31,099
Yeah, I know.
I'm sorry, uh...

425
00:29:31,143 --> 00:29:33,275
And yet,
here you are.

426
00:29:33,928 --> 00:29:36,626
You know, paid leave

427
00:29:36,670 --> 00:29:38,803
means we still pay you,
right?

428
00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:41,588
Yes.
HR explained that.

429
00:29:41,631 --> 00:29:45,070
And how much time have you
taken off since you got back?

430
00:29:46,375 --> 00:29:48,116
Mmm...

431
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,771
I think the answer you're looking for is
"none."

432
00:29:50,815 --> 00:29:52,294
Paul.

433
00:29:55,515 --> 00:29:57,169
Hmm.

434
00:29:57,952 --> 00:29:59,867
So, you know

435
00:29:59,911 --> 00:30:02,348
there is no shame
in taking some time.

436
00:30:02,391 --> 00:30:04,916
Right?

437
00:30:04,959 --> 00:30:06,482
Yeah. Thanks.

438
00:30:06,526 --> 00:30:09,007
Uh, but I needed to...
Did you get my text?

439
00:30:09,050 --> 00:30:11,531
You trying to
change the subject? Yeah.

440
00:30:11,574 --> 00:30:13,272
It work?

441
00:30:13,315 --> 00:30:15,622
Yeah, I got it.
Everything okay? Yeah, all good.

442
00:30:15,665 --> 00:30:19,060
Just a crazy morning.
I'm working on something.

443
00:30:19,104 --> 00:30:21,541
That's not what I meant.

444
00:30:21,584 --> 00:30:24,587
Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm good.
Thanks.

445
00:30:26,372 --> 00:30:27,982
Mm-hmm.

446
00:30:28,026 --> 00:30:31,290
What about Sarah? Family?
What's she up to?

447
00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:33,161
She's good.

448
00:30:33,205 --> 00:30:35,207
Yeah? Yeah.
I'll tell her you asked.

449
00:30:37,209 --> 00:30:39,515
Hey, Gary,
excuse me. Tell her I say hi.

450
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:41,648
Can you just
sign right here?

451
00:30:41,691 --> 00:30:43,215
Yeah.

452
00:30:44,477 --> 00:30:45,870
And here.Mm-hmm.

453
00:30:45,913 --> 00:30:47,480
Send it out. Thank you.

454
00:30:47,523 --> 00:30:48,916
Yeah.

455
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,397
So, what do you need?

456
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,877
What do you mean?

457
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,575
Yeah... Oh.

458
00:30:55,618 --> 00:30:57,533
Your text
this morning.

459
00:30:57,577 --> 00:30:59,144
Yeah.

460
00:30:59,187 --> 00:31:00,493
Um...

461
00:31:01,886 --> 00:31:04,714
I have this friend
and he needs some help.

462
00:31:04,758 --> 00:31:06,455
Mmm. A friend.
Really?

463
00:31:06,499 --> 00:31:10,416
Wow. No, it's not me.
It's a guy I met overseas.

464
00:31:10,459 --> 00:31:12,940
He's having trouble
since he got back.

465
00:31:12,984 --> 00:31:15,595
- PTSD?
- I think so.

466
00:31:15,638 --> 00:31:17,945
Okay. Yeah.

467
00:31:17,989 --> 00:31:20,817
- Is he gonna be okay?
- I hope so.

468
00:31:20,861 --> 00:31:24,169
I think sometimes it's just
hard to see God's plan

469
00:31:24,212 --> 00:31:26,171
in the middle of a war,
you know.

470
00:31:26,214 --> 00:31:28,390
Yeah.
So, what can I do to help?

471
00:31:30,305 --> 00:31:33,613
He needs to talk to someone right away,
someone professional.

472
00:31:33,656 --> 00:31:35,136
I told him I'd ask around.

473
00:31:36,268 --> 00:31:38,487
He's a good guy.
A war hero.

474
00:31:38,531 --> 00:31:39,967
Do you know anyone?

475
00:31:40,011 --> 00:31:42,230
He can't go
to the VA?

476
00:31:42,274 --> 00:31:44,493
Well... I mean, that's
what it's there for.

477
00:31:44,537 --> 00:31:47,975
He's got a classified job now, so it could
be a problem if people think he's...

478
00:31:48,019 --> 00:31:49,977
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Yeah.

479
00:31:50,891 --> 00:31:52,588
Well...

480
00:31:52,632 --> 00:31:56,288
I know somebody over at the
Interfaith Center who's pretty good.

481
00:31:56,331 --> 00:31:59,291
She's really good.
I went to her myself when Ann left me.

482
00:32:00,857 --> 00:32:03,991
- When was this?
- Last year.

483
00:32:06,211 --> 00:32:07,734
I didn't know.
I'm so sorry.

484
00:32:07,777 --> 00:32:10,302
Ah, well, I didn't advertise,
and you were...

485
00:32:10,345 --> 00:32:13,000
gone for most of it,
so...

486
00:32:13,044 --> 00:32:14,523
You never said anything.

487
00:32:14,567 --> 00:32:16,699
You were fine.
You... You seemed fine.

488
00:32:16,743 --> 00:32:18,266
Yeah, see,
that's the thing.

489
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:21,661
Sometimes there aren't signs
when someone's in trouble.

490
00:32:21,704 --> 00:32:24,794
So it's really good that your friend,
this, um...

491
00:32:24,838 --> 00:32:26,883
Matt.Matt...

492
00:32:26,927 --> 00:32:28,885
is reaching out
to you like this.

493
00:32:28,929 --> 00:32:30,235
Yeah.

494
00:32:30,278 --> 00:32:33,499
- So I'll ask and get you a name.
- Okay. Thanks.

495
00:32:33,542 --> 00:32:36,458
You know I got your back.
Right? You know that? Yeah. I do.

496
00:32:36,502 --> 00:32:38,025
Okay.

497
00:32:38,069 --> 00:32:39,635
What are you
working on?

498
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:42,160
Oh. Uh, you're not
gonna believe this.

499
00:32:42,203 --> 00:32:43,813
Um... I'm doing
an interview.

500
00:32:43,857 --> 00:32:46,077
Okay.
With who?

501
00:32:51,821 --> 00:32:53,214
With God.

502
00:32:56,783 --> 00:32:58,654
Really?

503
00:32:58,698 --> 00:33:00,526
Yeah. Yeah.
Really.

504
00:33:02,832 --> 00:33:05,618
I love it.
That's a great idea.

505
00:33:05,661 --> 00:33:08,534
You like it? Because I was
starting to have second thoughts.

506
00:33:08,577 --> 00:33:11,450
No, no, no, no, no.
For your blog?

507
00:33:11,493 --> 00:33:14,627
Or maybe this could be
something bigger.

508
00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:16,629
I don't know.
What do you mean, something bigger?

509
00:33:16,672 --> 00:33:20,850
Print edition, column four.
Human interest, every Thursday.

510
00:33:20,894 --> 00:33:23,070
Yes. Yes.

511
00:33:23,114 --> 00:33:26,117
The front page.
Y-Y... You're kidding.

512
00:33:27,074 --> 00:33:28,945
About time God
made the front page.

513
00:33:28,989 --> 00:33:30,730
You disagree?

514
00:33:30,773 --> 00:33:32,036
No, of course not.Okay.

515
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:33,646
But what will
the office think?

516
00:33:33,689 --> 00:33:36,692
You don't think it'll cause
some resentment around here?

517
00:33:36,736 --> 00:33:38,216
No, not really.

518
00:33:38,259 --> 00:33:40,479
I think they already
resent you.Okay.

519
00:33:40,522 --> 00:33:42,872
Thank you. How many words?

520
00:33:42,916 --> 00:33:44,918
No idea.

521
00:33:44,961 --> 00:33:48,487
Okay, okay, uh... This is gonna be good.
This is great.

522
00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:51,403
Okay, for now,

523
00:33:51,446 --> 00:33:53,535
we'll keep this
between us, yeah?

524
00:33:53,579 --> 00:33:55,189
Yeah. No problem. Let me work on it.

525
00:33:55,233 --> 00:33:56,582
Okay.

526
00:33:57,931 --> 00:33:59,802
Interview with God.

527
00:34:01,369 --> 00:34:03,589
That's very cool.
Very cool.

528
00:34:25,001 --> 00:34:26,916
Hi. This is Sarah.

529
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,310
Leave a message at the beepy thing,
and have a great day.

530
00:34:29,354 --> 00:34:31,834
Hey, Sarah, it's me.

531
00:34:33,009 --> 00:34:35,838
Um... I wanna
finish our talk.

532
00:34:40,016 --> 00:34:41,844
I think
we can fix this.

533
00:34:43,019 --> 00:34:45,109
Please call me back.

534
00:34:45,152 --> 00:34:46,806
Okay. Bye.

535
00:35:00,733 --> 00:35:02,778
Is God love?

536
00:35:05,216 --> 00:35:07,479
He doesn't boast, but yes, absolutely.

537
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,048
What's 2,427 times 648?

538
00:35:12,092 --> 00:35:17,010
1,572,696.

539
00:35:17,053 --> 00:35:18,968
Six hundred...

540
00:35:21,928 --> 00:35:23,321
For real?

541
00:35:25,888 --> 00:35:29,631
1,572,696.

542
00:35:34,506 --> 00:35:35,637
Huh.

543
00:36:30,562 --> 00:36:31,737
Sarah?

544
00:37:10,819 --> 00:37:13,257
I know who you are.

545
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:15,171
I know all your work. I'm a fan.

546
00:37:15,215 --> 00:37:19,219
Christians in combat? That must have been a tough assignment.

547
00:37:19,263 --> 00:37:21,395
Tough on you. Tough on your family.

548
00:37:21,439 --> 00:37:24,746
You traveled 7,000 miles into a war zone, Paul.

549
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:28,141
War changes people. You're gonna help me?

550
00:37:28,184 --> 00:37:29,751
I don't understand.

551
00:37:29,795 --> 00:37:32,195
Getting back to my question, is that why you're here?

552
00:37:32,232 --> 00:37:33,799
Am I a prophet? But, Paul...

553
00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:37,411
bad things do happen to some very good people.

554
00:37:37,455 --> 00:37:40,588
I just think you of all people should know why my answers might be...

555
00:37:40,632 --> 00:37:42,764
Is the problem that you don't trust God's plan?

556
00:37:42,808 --> 00:37:46,290
Or is the problem that you don't trust yourself?

557
00:37:55,211 --> 00:37:57,649
I'm God. G-O-D.

558
00:37:57,692 --> 00:37:59,694
That reminds me of an old joke.

559
00:37:59,738 --> 00:38:01,522
Seriously. What's all this about?

560
00:38:01,566 --> 00:38:03,935
What exactly would you like to see burst into flames? Am I a prophet?

561
00:38:03,959 --> 00:38:06,614
This is not about me. Really? People make choices.

562
00:38:06,658 --> 00:38:08,790
Why are we here? Those choices have consequences.

563
00:38:08,834 --> 00:38:10,357
So, you're here to save me?

564
00:38:10,401 --> 00:38:13,404
If knowing my will were part of every human decision,

565
00:38:13,447 --> 00:38:15,144
how would anything get done?

566
00:38:15,188 --> 00:38:17,209
When you traveled to Afghanistan... Which aspects...

567
00:38:17,233 --> 00:38:20,236
You of all people should know... And I also know about your marriage.

568
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,675
So, if God's got a plan, I'm covered, right? I also know about your marriage.

569
00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:25,981
Can we talk later tonight, please? I'm not sure.

570
00:38:26,025 --> 00:38:28,177
When trust in a marriage has been broken, how do you fix it?

571
00:38:28,201 --> 00:38:30,440
How many times do you want me to apologize? Stop apologizing.

572
00:38:30,464 --> 00:38:32,510
I don't care about the dishes!

573
00:39:04,455 --> 00:39:06,065
You never know.

574
00:39:15,901 --> 00:39:18,860
Sarah?

575
00:39:26,825 --> 00:39:27,913
Hello?

576
00:39:32,352 --> 00:39:33,571
Who's there?

577
00:39:39,054 --> 00:39:41,013
Hello?

578
00:39:41,056 --> 00:39:42,449
Hello!

579
00:39:44,103 --> 00:39:45,583
Who's there?

580
00:39:45,626 --> 00:39:47,759
Shut up!

581
00:39:58,291 --> 00:40:00,467
Morning.

582
00:40:00,511 --> 00:40:01,903
Morning.

583
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:06,038
Sarah staying home
today? Yeah.

584
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:08,997
Under the weather?

585
00:40:09,041 --> 00:40:10,651
Uh, yeah, I think so.

586
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,959
Echinacea.

587
00:40:14,002 --> 00:40:16,048
That's what I use.

588
00:40:16,091 --> 00:40:17,528
I'll tell her.

589
00:40:47,427 --> 00:40:49,255
Hello?

590
00:40:53,564 --> 00:40:55,522
Hello?

591
00:41:29,164 --> 00:41:30,296
You work here?

592
00:41:32,385 --> 00:41:33,995
Why do you ask?

593
00:41:37,042 --> 00:41:39,000
My mom worked here.

594
00:41:39,044 --> 00:41:40,175
Long ago.

595
00:41:42,569 --> 00:41:44,571
Should we even
be in here?

596
00:41:45,529 --> 00:41:47,705
Come.
Join me.

597
00:42:05,549 --> 00:42:08,160
Oh, you don't look
so good today, Paul.

598
00:42:09,596 --> 00:42:12,164
Is everything okay? I'm fine.

599
00:42:14,514 --> 00:42:16,734
What happened
to your hand?

600
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:20,085
We should get started.

601
00:42:20,128 --> 00:42:24,829
Uh, we can skip today and finish tomorrow,
if that would be better.

602
00:42:24,872 --> 00:42:27,309
No, that's okay.
I'm here. You're here.

603
00:42:27,353 --> 00:42:30,312
Let's just, uh, pick it up
where we left off and...

604
00:42:31,749 --> 00:42:33,359
make it a good interview.

605
00:42:33,402 --> 00:42:36,841
Actually, you didn't look
so good yesterday either.

606
00:42:36,884 --> 00:42:38,756
I'm, uh...
I'm a little worried.

607
00:42:39,713 --> 00:42:41,628
About yesterday,
we got off track.

608
00:42:41,672 --> 00:42:44,762
I was trying to be professional,
but we got off track. I apologize for that.

609
00:42:44,805 --> 00:42:46,415
No apologies necessary.

610
00:42:46,459 --> 00:42:49,462
You were incredibly professional,
and I said so.

611
00:42:49,505 --> 00:42:51,986
Thank you,
but somehow I became part of the interview,

612
00:42:52,030 --> 00:42:54,510
and that's not
supposed to happen.

613
00:42:54,554 --> 00:42:57,426
So let's get back
to you and, uh...

614
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:59,341
make it
a good interview.

615
00:43:10,396 --> 00:43:11,789
Shall we?

616
00:43:12,659 --> 00:43:14,618
Okay, recording.

617
00:43:14,661 --> 00:43:16,968
June 2. Paul Asher
interviewing God.

618
00:43:22,974 --> 00:43:26,542
So, I think we covered most
of the basics yesterday.

619
00:43:26,586 --> 00:43:29,502
Uh, where did we leave off? You were asking me
why I was here.

620
00:43:29,545 --> 00:43:32,374
Right. Sorry. Uh, so why are you here?
Why an interview?

621
00:43:32,418 --> 00:43:35,682
I'd like to talk to you
about salvation, Paul.

622
00:43:35,726 --> 00:43:38,337
Okay. Good topic.
This is progress.

623
00:43:39,338 --> 00:43:41,557
Salvation.

624
00:43:41,601 --> 00:43:45,170
What do you mean by that? What do you think
I mean by that?

625
00:43:47,912 --> 00:43:49,696
I'm not trying
to be difficult,

626
00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:53,004
but we should establish what you
think it is before we can discuss it.

627
00:43:53,047 --> 00:43:56,137
Right? Salvation means different
things to different people.

628
00:43:56,181 --> 00:43:57,791
Yes, it does.
It's very personal.

629
00:43:57,835 --> 00:43:59,793
It is the most personal,
and in the end...

630
00:43:59,837 --> 00:44:02,840
and I mean,
literally in the end,

631
00:44:02,883 --> 00:44:05,407
there's nothing more personal
than salvation.

632
00:44:05,451 --> 00:44:07,453
It's just you and your soul.

633
00:44:07,496 --> 00:44:10,064
Can't get more intimate
than that. Hard to argue.

634
00:44:10,108 --> 00:44:12,763
So when I ask you,
what do you think it is,

635
00:44:12,806 --> 00:44:15,461
it's only to help me answer
your questions properly.

636
00:44:15,504 --> 00:44:19,421
That's why we're here. Right?
You ask. I answer.

637
00:44:20,509 --> 00:44:22,163
Okay.

638
00:44:22,207 --> 00:44:25,166
Salvation means different things
to different people.Mm-hmm.

639
00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:28,474
But I'm a Christian,
so let me answer it from that perspective.

640
00:44:28,517 --> 00:44:31,129
Salvation is returning to a state
of perfection with the Almighty

641
00:44:31,172 --> 00:44:32,870
and absolution from sin
forever.

642
00:44:32,913 --> 00:44:35,350
Excellent.
That's a very good definition.

643
00:44:35,394 --> 00:44:38,223
Yes, you got right to
the heart of the matter. Thank you.

644
00:44:38,266 --> 00:44:41,008
But you sidestepped several
thousand years of disagreement

645
00:44:41,052 --> 00:44:43,054
over how
you actually get there.

646
00:44:43,097 --> 00:44:45,970
I'm with Jesus,
so I'm covered, thanks.Oh.

647
00:44:47,145 --> 00:44:49,625
Are you sure
about that? What does that mean?

648
00:44:49,669 --> 00:44:51,497
Nothing.
I'm... I'm just asking.

649
00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:53,847
As I said,
I'd like this interview to be about you.

650
00:44:53,891 --> 00:44:57,503
I answered your question, so...
salvation.

651
00:44:57,546 --> 00:44:59,026
Salvation. Okay.

652
00:44:59,070 --> 00:45:02,551
So, for the sake of...
for the sake of discussion,

653
00:45:02,595 --> 00:45:07,382
let's pretend that I am a
manufacturer and you are a consumer,

654
00:45:07,426 --> 00:45:11,386
and you tell me,
how would you rate the product.

655
00:45:15,086 --> 00:45:17,175
Salvation
as the product?

656
00:45:18,611 --> 00:45:22,006
You've gotta be
kidding me. No, I'm not kidding.

657
00:45:22,049 --> 00:45:24,399
Just pretend
that it's market research.

658
00:45:24,443 --> 00:45:26,837
You've done this many times before,
I'm sure.

659
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,795
It's just another
online survey.

660
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,972
How do you rate
the product?

661
00:45:35,106 --> 00:45:36,803
Okay.
Let's find out.

662
00:45:38,065 --> 00:45:40,589
On the one hand,
it's the greatest product ever.

663
00:45:40,633 --> 00:45:42,330
Redemption from sin?

664
00:45:42,374 --> 00:45:45,420
Reunification with God for eternity
after a lifetime on earth? Wow!

665
00:45:45,464 --> 00:45:48,530
Who wouldn't want that product? If that
doesn't sell itself, nothing ever will.

666
00:45:48,554 --> 00:45:51,122
Well, I'm glad you approve.

667
00:45:51,165 --> 00:45:53,994
On the other hand... On the other hand,
what?

668
00:45:54,038 --> 00:45:56,431
On the other hand,
it's the only product I can think of

669
00:45:56,475 --> 00:45:59,260
where proper use involves
returning it to the maker.

670
00:45:59,304 --> 00:46:01,828
And there's really only
one way that can happen.

671
00:46:01,872 --> 00:46:03,569
Everybody wants to
get to heaven...

672
00:46:03,612 --> 00:46:05,789
But no one wants to die.
Exactly.

673
00:46:05,832 --> 00:46:10,445
That slight complication is mitigated
by the fact that everyone will die.

674
00:46:10,489 --> 00:46:13,666
So it's really just about the when...
the product... not the what.

675
00:46:13,709 --> 00:46:15,755
Oh, I knew
you'd be good at this.

676
00:46:15,799 --> 00:46:18,192
Yeah. I should've been
a marketing major.

677
00:46:18,236 --> 00:46:20,978
So, moving on... But, uh, what else?

678
00:46:23,371 --> 00:46:24,808
Really?

679
00:46:24,851 --> 00:46:26,679
There's one aspect
that you left out,

680
00:46:26,722 --> 00:46:29,595
the one that I mentioned
in the first place... the how.

681
00:46:29,638 --> 00:46:32,685
Or we can call it instructions,
just to stay with our metaphor.

682
00:46:32,728 --> 00:46:35,819
Okay, but really, after this,
we have to move on.

683
00:46:35,862 --> 00:46:37,168
Okay.

684
00:46:39,474 --> 00:46:42,173
Okay, well,
uh, the instructions.

685
00:46:43,565 --> 00:46:46,481
The instructions are widely available,
so that's good.

686
00:46:46,525 --> 00:46:50,137
Um, the Bible's a best seller
year after year, but...

687
00:46:50,181 --> 00:46:51,835
But...

688
00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:55,229
I think the instructions
are a little confusing.

689
00:46:55,273 --> 00:46:58,232
Well, no one ever said knowing
my will would be easy. Right.

690
00:46:58,276 --> 00:47:00,539
But knowing God's will isn't
really the problem, is it?

691
00:47:00,582 --> 00:47:03,020
The scriptures
are full of rules. Yes, they are.

692
00:47:03,063 --> 00:47:05,892
I can think of ten
just off the top of my head.

693
00:47:05,936 --> 00:47:07,981
Right, but that's the Old Testament,
the Torah.

694
00:47:08,025 --> 00:47:09,635
The New Testament
is different.

695
00:47:09,678 --> 00:47:12,116
God gave us his son.
That was a game-changer. Indeed it was.

696
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,422
Jesus was super-clear.
John 14:6.

697
00:47:14,466 --> 00:47:17,077
"I am the way.
No one comes to the Father but through me."

698
00:47:17,121 --> 00:47:18,383
Seems very clear to me.

699
00:47:18,426 --> 00:47:19,993
But that
can't be right. No?

700
00:47:20,037 --> 00:47:22,996
Because
everyone's a sinner.Yes.

701
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,870
If we're saved through faith and faith alone,
why would anyone follow all the other rules?

702
00:47:26,913 --> 00:47:28,654
But is faith
all it takes?

703
00:47:28,697 --> 00:47:31,178
You're a murderer. So what?
Liar? No problem.

704
00:47:31,222 --> 00:47:33,180
Philanderer?
Hey, everyone makes mistakes.

705
00:47:33,224 --> 00:47:36,227
So what's the problem? The problem is...

706
00:47:40,144 --> 00:47:41,623
The problem is...

707
00:47:42,798 --> 00:47:44,365
The problem is what,
Paul? Sorry.

708
00:47:44,409 --> 00:47:46,933
This keeps happening.
I'm not the story. We agreed.

709
00:47:46,977 --> 00:47:49,675
Check the record.
I never agreed to that.

710
00:47:51,546 --> 00:47:54,810
What do you want? I mean, really.
What is this all about?

711
00:47:54,854 --> 00:47:58,118
It seems like you want something from me.
I have no idea what it is.

712
00:47:58,162 --> 00:48:01,774
Now you see why the burning bush
worked so well. I talk, people listen.

713
00:48:01,817 --> 00:48:03,428
I agreed to meet with you

714
00:48:03,471 --> 00:48:06,387
because it was an intriguing prospect,
an idea for an interview,

715
00:48:06,431 --> 00:48:08,955
and I think I have given you
the benefit of the doubt.

716
00:48:08,999 --> 00:48:11,958
But it's clear to me now you had
some other hidden agenda for this.

717
00:48:12,002 --> 00:48:15,788
This, whatever this is. Really,
give me something. What do you want from me?

718
00:48:15,831 --> 00:48:17,964
My math skills
didn't impress you?

719
00:48:18,008 --> 00:48:20,793
No, that was impressive,
but there are people who can do that stuff.

720
00:48:20,836 --> 00:48:22,099
Okay. Savants, I guess.

721
00:48:22,142 --> 00:48:25,058
Right. Okay.
I'll give you something.

722
00:48:25,102 --> 00:48:28,627
But you may not like it. Ah, finally.

723
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:30,629
Okay, hit me. All right.

724
00:48:30,672 --> 00:48:35,764
No offense, but I think you have a
misunderstanding about the nature of faith.

725
00:48:35,808 --> 00:48:39,290
I don't think that's true.
I told you I've always had faith.

726
00:48:39,333 --> 00:48:40,682
There it is.

727
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:44,208
You see?

728
00:48:44,251 --> 00:48:47,733
"I've always had faith."

729
00:48:47,776 --> 00:48:50,127
Paul, do you see
what I mean?

730
00:48:50,170 --> 00:48:52,129
No, not really.
What are you saying?

731
00:48:53,043 --> 00:48:55,436
Okay, we'll get back to that.

732
00:48:57,090 --> 00:48:59,440
Paul, do you...
do you ever think

733
00:48:59,484 --> 00:49:02,704
of what the world is like
from my perspective?

734
00:49:05,403 --> 00:49:08,710
From God's
perspective? Mm-hmm.

735
00:49:09,711 --> 00:49:11,235
Frankly, no.

736
00:49:11,278 --> 00:49:13,498
How would I even do that?
How would that be possible?

737
00:49:13,541 --> 00:49:15,804
Well, fair enough.

738
00:49:15,848 --> 00:49:20,635
But, uh, try to imagine
knowing every human deed,

739
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:26,163
every thought, aspiration,
uh, depravity.

740
00:49:27,338 --> 00:49:30,689
But also knowing
all the, uh, isolation

741
00:49:30,732 --> 00:49:34,736
and the... the pain
and the emptiness of life.

742
00:49:36,347 --> 00:49:40,525
Now, multiply that times every
human soul that ever existed.

743
00:49:42,179 --> 00:49:45,051
I wouldn't want that job. Why not?

744
00:49:48,054 --> 00:49:50,535
Because it would
be overwhelming.

745
00:49:50,578 --> 00:49:53,625
The world is full
of such terrible things.

746
00:49:53,668 --> 00:49:56,454
I work for a newspaper.
I see it every day.

747
00:49:56,497 --> 00:49:57,890
Horrible things.

748
00:49:57,933 --> 00:50:01,676
Things that come crashing
down on decent people.

749
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:05,854
People with dignity who only want
to know why it's happening to them.

750
00:50:05,898 --> 00:50:07,595
What would I say to them?

751
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,684
"Trust me"?

752
00:50:09,728 --> 00:50:11,686
"I have a plan"?

753
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:14,341
No, thanks.

754
00:50:14,385 --> 00:50:18,867
All that misery in the world
would break my heart.

755
00:50:18,911 --> 00:50:20,826
Mm-hmm.

756
00:50:20,869 --> 00:50:23,089
But tell me,

757
00:50:23,133 --> 00:50:24,786
why would you care?

758
00:50:27,224 --> 00:50:29,095
All right,
what do you mean, why?

759
00:50:29,139 --> 00:50:31,054
Why would it
break your heart?

760
00:50:32,055 --> 00:50:34,100
Because I care.

761
00:50:34,144 --> 00:50:36,581
I have compassion
for my fellow human beings.

762
00:50:36,624 --> 00:50:39,149
And where does
that morality come from?

763
00:50:40,411 --> 00:50:42,804
I'm sure the answer you're
looking for is "from God,"

764
00:50:42,848 --> 00:50:44,980
but, really, I have no idea.

765
00:50:45,024 --> 00:50:49,028
Free will perhaps, Paul?
Hmm?

766
00:50:49,072 --> 00:50:51,770
Free will exists.

767
00:50:51,813 --> 00:50:55,078
And it wouldn't be much of a morality
if I forced you to have it, Paul.

768
00:50:55,121 --> 00:50:57,210
Okay. Good to know.
It's all me.

769
00:50:57,254 --> 00:51:00,561
So, when do we get
to the part I won't like?

770
00:51:01,997 --> 00:51:04,043
Paul, if you think
faith is enough...

771
00:51:04,087 --> 00:51:07,133
I mean, it's not,
but if you do,

772
00:51:07,177 --> 00:51:09,918
would you just start
being an immoral person?

773
00:51:09,962 --> 00:51:12,747
How do you know
I'm not an immoral person? Because you just told me.

774
00:51:12,791 --> 00:51:15,141
You said you have compassion,
and I believe you.

775
00:51:16,534 --> 00:51:18,362
So, what could you
possibly do

776
00:51:18,405 --> 00:51:21,278
that would be beyond my
powers to forgive you?

777
00:51:33,464 --> 00:51:36,423
Paul, I just asked you
a very important question.

778
00:51:36,467 --> 00:51:39,296
I, uh... I don't want
to talk about this.

779
00:51:39,339 --> 00:51:41,167
Can we change the subject,
please?

780
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:42,950
Why?

781
00:51:48,261 --> 00:51:49,784
Why?
Because it's personal.

782
00:51:49,828 --> 00:51:51,545
But you have
no secrets from me. Yeah, I do.

783
00:51:51,569 --> 00:51:53,962
No, you don't.Yeah, I do.

784
00:51:54,006 --> 00:51:56,139
And my life is not the topic
of this conversation.

785
00:51:56,182 --> 00:51:59,533
But it really is, Paul. I don't know
how many more ways I can say this.

786
00:51:59,577 --> 00:52:01,709
But you need to
start hearing me.Okay.

787
00:52:01,753 --> 00:52:04,190
We've done enough for today.
Thank you. All right, all right.

788
00:52:04,234 --> 00:52:06,149
You can ask me
anything you want.

789
00:52:06,192 --> 00:52:09,500
That's what I've been doing,
but it doesn't really get me anywhere.

790
00:52:09,543 --> 00:52:12,024
I've been more than deferential
to your claim of who you are,

791
00:52:12,067 --> 00:52:15,158
but I keep asking questions,
and you keep giving me these evasive answers.

792
00:52:15,201 --> 00:52:16,724
You've been asking
very good questions,

793
00:52:16,768 --> 00:52:18,354
and I'm trying to answer them
as best I can.

794
00:52:18,378 --> 00:52:20,598
Best for who? For you, of course.

795
00:52:20,641 --> 00:52:22,924
If that's what you think,
then we did get to the part I don't like.

796
00:52:22,948 --> 00:52:25,907
Well, it can get
a lot worse than that. I really don't see how.

797
00:52:25,951 --> 00:52:29,998
Well, how about we talk
about your marriage? No!

798
00:52:30,042 --> 00:52:34,220
No, we really can't, and it's inappropriate
you would bring that into the conversation!

799
00:52:34,264 --> 00:52:36,440
My personal life
is off-limits,

800
00:52:36,483 --> 00:52:38,181
and that goes double
for my marriage.

801
00:52:38,224 --> 00:52:40,835
Oh, and you're sure
about that?

802
00:52:40,879 --> 00:52:42,924
Are you...

803
00:52:42,968 --> 00:52:45,188
Did someone put you up to this?
Is that...?

804
00:52:45,231 --> 00:52:46,928
Paul, you're just
being paranoid.

805
00:52:46,972 --> 00:52:50,193
- I'm just here to help.
- Thanks, but I can manage my own affairs.

806
00:52:50,236 --> 00:52:52,847
Oh, you can? I can manage!

807
00:52:52,891 --> 00:52:57,330
Why are you doing this?
Is this what you do to people?

808
00:52:57,374 --> 00:53:00,246
Is this what you do?
Go around talking crap?

809
00:53:00,290 --> 00:53:03,162
Why am I here?

810
00:53:03,206 --> 00:53:06,034
Oh, I get that question
too many times. I mean, here.

811
00:53:06,078 --> 00:53:08,123
In this theater.
Why am I here?

812
00:53:08,167 --> 00:53:11,344
'Cause I would like to help
you if you will let me.

813
00:53:11,388 --> 00:53:13,781
Thanks. I've got it covered.
Everything's under control.

814
00:53:13,825 --> 00:53:17,481
Oh, okay then. Yeah.
Well, that's... that's very good to hear

815
00:53:17,524 --> 00:53:20,484
because, uh, you are
about out of time.

816
00:53:20,527 --> 00:53:23,878
Oh, I had five more minutes, but I'm happy
to forfeit that time to the next prophet.

817
00:53:23,922 --> 00:53:27,404
No, Paul. I mean, you
are about out of time.

818
00:53:28,666 --> 00:53:30,842
- What are you saying?
- Just that.

819
00:53:32,409 --> 00:53:35,281
Out of time. That's cryptic.
What does that even mean?

820
00:53:49,643 --> 00:53:52,733
- You're saying...
- Yes.

821
00:54:02,613 --> 00:54:04,745
- Are you saying...?
- Yes.

822
00:54:04,789 --> 00:54:07,270
I'm very sorry.

823
00:54:10,447 --> 00:54:13,754
- This is a joke.
- No. No joke, Paul.

824
00:54:14,886 --> 00:54:16,017
I'm sorry.

825
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,325
Sick joke.

826
00:54:21,327 --> 00:54:22,807
Why would you
tell me that?

827
00:54:25,157 --> 00:54:28,508
Because you said so
yourself, Paul.

828
00:54:28,552 --> 00:54:31,511
Dying is just about
the when.

829
00:54:31,555 --> 00:54:33,774
So why can't the when
be now?

830
00:54:33,818 --> 00:54:36,342
This interview is over. Well, we... we still
have tomorrow.

831
00:54:36,386 --> 00:54:38,083
There is no tomorrow!

832
00:54:38,126 --> 00:54:40,433
I'll let you know where,
just in case you change your mind.

833
00:54:40,477 --> 00:54:44,872
I'm pretty sure I won't.
I don't even know why I agreed to this.

834
00:54:44,916 --> 00:54:47,135
You prayed, Paul.
You asked for help.

835
00:54:47,179 --> 00:54:49,834
That's why I'm here,
and I thought an interview would be a place

836
00:54:49,877 --> 00:54:52,010
where a journalist
would be comfortable.

837
00:54:52,053 --> 00:54:55,187
Well, congratulations.
You got that exactly wrong.

838
00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:57,058
I'm not comfortable
at all with this.

839
00:54:57,102 --> 00:54:59,496
Salvation is real,
Paul,

840
00:54:59,539 --> 00:55:01,454
and it can still
happen for you,

841
00:55:01,498 --> 00:55:05,458
but you need to understand
something very important.

842
00:55:05,502 --> 00:55:07,721
Faith isn't something
that you can just have.

843
00:55:07,765 --> 00:55:09,593
Not in
the conventional sense.

844
00:55:09,636 --> 00:55:13,161
Because faith
isn't the goal.

845
00:55:13,205 --> 00:55:15,555
Faith is the process.

846
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:17,427
It's a lot like a marriage.

847
00:55:17,470 --> 00:55:21,126
The vows you take aren't the end.
They're just the beginning.

848
00:55:22,432 --> 00:55:25,957
It takes time and dedication...
every day.

849
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,439
Wow.

850
00:55:33,399 --> 00:55:34,879
Paul?

851
00:55:36,402 --> 00:55:37,969
Paul!

852
00:55:39,623 --> 00:55:42,582
Would you like to know
when it will happen?

853
00:55:46,369 --> 00:55:47,892
No.

854
00:57:15,370 --> 00:57:17,590
Wh-What...
What are you doing here?

855
00:57:17,634 --> 00:57:19,418
You never called me back.

856
00:57:19,462 --> 00:57:21,289
Uh, yeah.

857
00:57:21,333 --> 00:57:24,945
I'm... I'm sorry.
I had a bad day yesterday, and...

858
00:57:24,989 --> 00:57:26,991
I know.
That's why I called you.

859
00:57:28,471 --> 00:57:31,909
Hey. Hello.
It's nice to see you.

860
00:57:33,258 --> 00:57:34,781
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Hi.

861
00:57:34,825 --> 00:57:38,611
Uh, can we...
can we take this...

862
00:57:38,655 --> 00:57:41,048
Okay.

863
00:57:41,092 --> 00:57:43,486
Nobody knew where you were,
and you didn't answer your cell.

864
00:57:43,529 --> 00:57:46,837
I was in a meeting.
I had it turned off. I'm sorry. Uh...

865
00:57:55,672 --> 00:57:57,412
Do you want to talk
about yesterday?

866
00:57:57,456 --> 00:57:59,806
No, not really.

867
00:57:59,850 --> 00:58:01,982
Don't you think we should?

868
00:58:02,722 --> 00:58:04,158
Okay, what's on your mind?

869
00:58:05,551 --> 00:58:07,597
Why are you talking
to me like that?

870
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,121
Like I'm other people. She just left me yesterday.

871
00:58:10,164 --> 00:58:12,689
Can I get a... some breathing room?
Please?

872
00:58:12,732 --> 00:58:15,474
I know. I'm...
I'm just worried about you.

873
00:58:15,518 --> 00:58:18,346
I know. I'm sorry.
I know you are.

874
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:19,870
It's just...

875
00:58:21,611 --> 00:58:23,830
Do you want me to leave?

876
00:58:23,874 --> 00:58:26,485
Paul, you know this
wasn't your fault, right?

877
00:58:26,529 --> 00:58:29,270
It wasn't anyone's fault.

878
00:58:29,314 --> 00:58:31,664
Of course, it's my fault.

879
00:58:31,708 --> 00:58:34,580
Why does it have to
be someone's fault?

880
00:58:34,624 --> 00:58:37,017
Things happen in the universe,
Paul, in life.

881
00:58:37,061 --> 00:58:39,672
Well, you know, I have a slightly
different perspective on that.

882
00:58:39,716 --> 00:58:43,981
I know, and it's one of the things
I've always loved about you.

883
00:58:44,024 --> 00:58:47,201
You have a strength and a
certainty that I've never had.

884
00:58:47,245 --> 00:58:49,421
But this...

885
00:58:49,464 --> 00:58:51,162
This was my fault.

886
00:58:51,205 --> 00:58:52,206
How?

887
00:58:53,468 --> 00:58:56,167
I never should have gone away.

888
00:58:56,210 --> 00:58:57,777
Where?
To Afghanistan?

889
00:58:57,821 --> 00:59:00,388
It was stupid. I never thought it through,
what might happen.

890
00:59:00,432 --> 00:59:01,738
I was stupid.

891
00:59:01,781 --> 00:59:04,654
- Is that what you think?
- Yes, it's what I think.

892
00:59:05,568 --> 00:59:07,526
No, Paul.

893
00:59:07,570 --> 00:59:08,745
What?

894
00:59:10,311 --> 00:59:11,617
What?

895
00:59:11,661 --> 00:59:13,750
Sarah had the affair
before you left.

896
00:59:26,110 --> 00:59:28,155
Oh, God. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.

897
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:30,331
I thought you knew. Give me a minute, please.

898
00:59:30,375 --> 00:59:33,421
Give me a minute.
Just give me some space! Please.

899
00:59:33,465 --> 00:59:35,554
Sorry. Oh!

900
00:59:35,598 --> 00:59:38,035
What's happening here?
Call you back.

901
00:59:38,078 --> 00:59:40,341
Whatever it is, why is it
happening in my office?

902
00:59:40,385 --> 00:59:43,257
I-I'm sorry. Hi.
I'm-I'm Grace.

903
00:59:43,301 --> 00:59:46,783
I'm Paul's sister-in-law.
Uh, Sarah's sister.

904
00:59:48,785 --> 00:59:50,482
Hi.A fan of your sister.

905
00:59:50,525 --> 00:59:53,528
Thanks. Uh, I'm sorry.

906
00:59:53,572 --> 00:59:55,443
We totally stole
your office.

907
00:59:55,487 --> 00:59:57,097
Yes, you did.

908
00:59:57,141 --> 00:59:59,447
Would you mind giving us
a couple of minutes?

909
00:59:59,491 --> 01:00:01,841
I'm sorry. Paul?

910
01:00:01,885 --> 01:00:03,887
Is that all right, Gary?

911
01:00:03,930 --> 01:00:07,934
All right.
Hey, I got that name for your friend, okay?

912
01:00:07,978 --> 01:00:10,981
Number's right here.
They'll see him today if he can make it.

913
01:00:12,025 --> 01:00:14,854
- I'll leave it here.
- Thank you.

914
01:00:18,510 --> 01:00:21,992
He doesn't know, huh?

915
01:00:23,167 --> 01:00:24,385
No.

916
01:00:24,429 --> 01:00:26,692
It might help if you start
talking to someone.

917
01:00:26,736 --> 01:00:28,476
If not me, someone else.

918
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:33,307
I want to talk to Sarah about it,
but she's not returning my calls.

919
01:00:33,351 --> 01:00:36,876
I don't even know where she is. For all I
know, she could be with that other guy.

920
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,965
No, she's... she's not.
She's not.

921
01:00:39,009 --> 01:00:41,664
That's over. How do you know?

922
01:00:41,707 --> 01:00:43,361
'Cause she's staying with me.

923
01:00:44,492 --> 01:00:45,755
What?
Why didn't you tell me?

924
01:00:45,798 --> 01:00:47,670
Paul, please.

925
01:00:47,713 --> 01:00:49,497
Could you please get her
to call me back?

926
01:00:49,541 --> 01:00:51,586
I can't. I'm sorry.

927
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:53,850
- You've got to be patient.
- Why?

928
01:00:53,893 --> 01:00:56,635
You just have to
give her time. Give her time?

929
01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:59,899
How much time?
A day? A week? A month?

930
01:00:59,943 --> 01:01:02,336
Paul, come on.
I've known you since I was 18.

931
01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:05,557
Sarah marrying you was
the best thing she ever did.

932
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,733
And we will always be family.

933
01:01:07,777 --> 01:01:09,866
That's why I'm here today.

934
01:01:09,909 --> 01:01:12,216
I-I don't know why
this happened, but...

935
01:01:13,608 --> 01:01:16,394
You should really
talk to someone.

936
01:01:16,437 --> 01:01:18,004
Yeah, I will.

937
01:01:18,048 --> 01:01:21,355
- Promise?
- I promise. Yeah.

938
01:01:21,399 --> 01:01:24,707
Yeah.
I appreciate you coming by. Thank you.

939
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,145
- Hug?
- Yeah.

940
01:01:44,465 --> 01:01:46,859
Hey, Matt. It's me.

941
01:01:46,903 --> 01:01:48,861
Yeah, that's why
I'm calling actually.

942
01:01:48,905 --> 01:01:50,776
You know what?
I'm going to text it to you.

943
01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:54,345
They said if you can make it,
they'll see you right away. Today.

944
01:01:56,564 --> 01:01:58,088
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

945
01:02:00,177 --> 01:02:03,267
Okay. Good luck. Let me know how it goes.
Give me a call after.

946
01:02:03,310 --> 01:02:05,051
Okay?

947
01:02:05,095 --> 01:02:08,663
Um, can I ask for a favor?
A big favor?

948
01:02:08,707 --> 01:02:11,362
I'm doing this interview,
and it's getting kind of weird.

949
01:02:11,405 --> 01:02:12,929
Um...

950
01:02:12,972 --> 01:02:15,235
Well, that's the thing.
I-I don't know.

951
01:02:15,279 --> 01:02:17,760
If I send you a head shot,
could you check it out,

952
01:02:17,803 --> 01:02:19,544
run it through the database
or something?

953
01:02:19,587 --> 01:02:21,285
Is that possible?

954
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:24,679
Really?

955
01:02:24,723 --> 01:02:27,595
No, that's perfect.
Tomorrow's fine.

956
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:29,206
Okay. Bye.

957
01:02:30,990 --> 01:02:33,427
What's going on?

958
01:02:34,951 --> 01:02:36,996
Look, I'm sorry, Gary. What's wrong?

959
01:02:38,693 --> 01:02:40,521
Is there a problem
with the story?

960
01:02:43,655 --> 01:02:45,439
Talk to me.

961
01:02:46,484 --> 01:02:48,529
Sarah just left me.

962
01:02:48,573 --> 01:02:50,096
Yesterday.

963
01:02:50,140 --> 01:02:52,925
I'm sorry.
Why didn't you say something?

964
01:02:52,969 --> 01:02:54,884
It's been bad
since I got back.

965
01:02:54,927 --> 01:02:57,756
I should have
said something.

966
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,411
I don't know why.

967
01:03:00,454 --> 01:03:02,456
This about Afghanistan?

968
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:07,766
I thought so, but now I think it might
be a bigger problem, an older problem.

969
01:03:07,810 --> 01:03:09,637
I'm trying
to figure it out. All right.

970
01:03:09,681 --> 01:03:13,685
Well, maybe it's time you take
that break we talked about, huh?

971
01:03:13,728 --> 01:03:15,905
Yeah.

972
01:03:16,731 --> 01:03:19,169
Yeah. I might. Okay, good.

973
01:03:19,212 --> 01:03:21,475
You think you can
fix things with her?

974
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:24,696
I don't know. Maybe I think
she's better off without me.

975
01:03:24,739 --> 01:03:26,654
Don't say that.

976
01:03:26,698 --> 01:03:28,569
Never think that.

977
01:03:37,056 --> 01:03:40,320
You know, when Ann left me,
I, uh... I went a little crazy.

978
01:03:40,364 --> 01:03:43,149
I had thoughts
I'd never had before.

979
01:03:43,193 --> 01:03:47,153
Crazy, weird thoughts.

980
01:03:47,197 --> 01:03:49,808
And then, you know,
maybe some of it was from,

981
01:03:49,852 --> 01:03:51,810
like, the body blow,
the hurt feelings.

982
01:03:51,854 --> 01:03:56,771
But the worst part of it for me was...
was this crushing disappointment.

983
01:03:56,815 --> 01:03:58,425
Gary, I don't need you
to-to-to...

984
01:03:58,469 --> 01:04:00,340
No, listen to me.
Listen to this.

985
01:04:01,428 --> 01:04:04,779
I always had all kind
of bad thoughts

986
01:04:04,823 --> 01:04:07,695
about what my life
was gonna be like,

987
01:04:07,739 --> 01:04:09,262
like... like what could happen.

988
01:04:09,306 --> 01:04:12,352
I mean, poverty, horrible illness.
You name it.

989
01:04:12,396 --> 01:04:16,704
But I never once imagined
that my marriage might fail.

990
01:04:16,748 --> 01:04:18,750
What is that, naive?

991
01:04:18,793 --> 01:04:20,186
Is it?

992
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:24,538
I mean, really,
why couldn't it happen to me?

993
01:04:24,582 --> 01:04:26,540
Because I have faith?

994
01:04:26,584 --> 01:04:28,716
Does that make me special?

995
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,980
Well, doesn't it? Yes.

996
01:04:31,981 --> 01:04:34,853
That's exactly it.
It does.

997
01:04:34,897 --> 01:04:38,944
And it was faith
that rescued Ann and me.

998
01:04:38,988 --> 01:04:41,947
Sure, we needed help,
and it took time,

999
01:04:41,991 --> 01:04:44,994
but he was there for us
when we needed him.

1000
01:04:46,082 --> 01:04:49,215
So, you've just got
to get right.

1001
01:04:49,259 --> 01:04:51,391
Yeah, I know. I'm trying.

1002
01:04:54,699 --> 01:04:56,919
You still love Sarah?

1003
01:04:56,962 --> 01:04:59,747
You know I do.Okay. Okay.

1004
01:04:59,791 --> 01:05:02,925
Then find your hope
and fix this.

1005
01:05:02,968 --> 01:05:04,578
You can do it.

1006
01:05:05,666 --> 01:05:07,233
What if time were a factor?

1007
01:05:07,277 --> 01:05:10,106
What? What is it?
What are you talking about?

1008
01:05:10,149 --> 01:05:11,934
I'm sorry.
Forget I said that.

1009
01:05:11,977 --> 01:05:14,153
It's just...
Gary, this interview.

1010
01:05:14,197 --> 01:05:16,503
It's... I don't know.

1011
01:05:16,547 --> 01:05:19,158
It's... eating me up.

1012
01:05:21,030 --> 01:05:25,077
Is that where you've been
the past couple days? Yeah. It is.

1013
01:05:25,121 --> 01:05:27,645
It's really an interview?

1014
01:05:27,688 --> 01:05:29,603
Yeah. It is. Yeah.

1015
01:05:30,517 --> 01:05:32,563
With God?

1016
01:05:44,531 --> 01:05:46,011
Okay.

1017
01:05:46,055 --> 01:05:48,840
You already pitched it to the print edition,
didn't you?

1018
01:05:48,883 --> 01:05:51,190
Yes.

1019
01:05:51,234 --> 01:05:54,498
- And they loved it.
- Come on, Gary. Look at me.

1020
01:05:54,541 --> 01:05:57,718
My wife just left me.
I'm crying my eyes out in your office.

1021
01:05:57,762 --> 01:06:00,547
It's possible I might need to
deal with some stuff right now.

1022
01:06:00,591 --> 01:06:02,985
Listen, you sort it out.

1023
01:06:03,028 --> 01:06:05,074
You take care of you first.

1024
01:06:05,117 --> 01:06:06,989
And remember what I said.
Get right.

1025
01:06:08,860 --> 01:06:10,514
Thanks, Gary.Yeah.

1026
01:06:39,108 --> 01:06:41,197
Come on, pick up, pick up.

1027
01:06:44,809 --> 01:06:48,204
I just nearly picked up.
I wanted to speak to him.

1028
01:06:48,247 --> 01:06:50,380
Then why didn't you?

1029
01:06:50,423 --> 01:06:52,295
Because I destroyed
my marriage.

1030
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:57,996
Sarah.

1031
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,564
Sarah, I'm struggling here, okay?
I have to talk to you.

1032
01:07:00,607 --> 01:07:02,131
Could you call me back
right away?

1033
01:07:02,174 --> 01:07:04,133
It's important.

1034
01:07:04,176 --> 01:07:06,091
Please call me back.

1035
01:07:06,135 --> 01:07:07,527
Okay. Bye.

1036
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,661
Wait. What the...?

1037
01:07:13,142 --> 01:07:16,232
How many men take back
a wife that cheated?

1038
01:07:17,755 --> 01:07:20,714
He was either working
or at the theological library.

1039
01:07:23,065 --> 01:07:27,112
He stopped going to church and his
men's group because he lost faith.

1040
01:07:27,156 --> 01:07:29,462
I made it about me.

1041
01:07:29,506 --> 01:07:30,855
He was gone.

1042
01:07:30,898 --> 01:07:33,858
- You don't know what I did.
- I know you're human.

1043
01:07:46,827 --> 01:07:49,700
You know me, right?

1044
01:07:49,743 --> 01:07:54,226
You know I don't believe
in all that pray-to-Jesus crap,

1045
01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:57,838
but... maybe you should.

1046
01:07:58,796 --> 01:08:01,277
You're telling me to pray?

1047
01:08:01,929 --> 01:08:04,018
Can't hurt.

1048
01:08:04,062 --> 01:08:05,803
It can't reverse
what I did.

1049
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,288
There's no going back from what I've done, ever.

1050
01:08:58,247 --> 01:08:59,900
All right.

1051
01:09:23,185 --> 01:09:27,014
Why is he showing himself rather
than being hidden from me?

1052
01:09:30,801 --> 01:09:33,673
What am I to myself?
No one loved me.

1053
01:09:33,717 --> 01:09:36,198
Who am I?

1054
01:09:38,243 --> 01:09:39,810
Okay.

1055
01:09:40,506 --> 01:09:41,551
Okay.

1056
01:10:07,490 --> 01:10:09,274
Can you hear me?

1057
01:10:15,454 --> 01:10:17,369
Why? Because it's personal.

1058
01:10:17,413 --> 01:10:19,129
But you have no secrets from me.

1059
01:10:19,153 --> 01:10:20,807
Yeah, I do. No, you don't.

1060
01:10:20,851 --> 01:10:24,289
Yeah, I do. My life is not the topic of this conversation.

1061
01:10:24,333 --> 01:10:26,335
But it really is, Paul.

1062
01:10:26,378 --> 01:10:29,139
I don't know how many more ways I can say this, but you need to start hearing me.

1063
01:10:29,163 --> 01:10:30,513
Okay.

1064
01:10:30,556 --> 01:10:32,556
We've done enough for today. Thank you. All right.

1065
01:11:32,444 --> 01:11:34,359
- Welcome back.
- Thank you.

1066
01:11:40,409 --> 01:11:43,107
I have
some more questions.

1067
01:11:45,196 --> 01:11:47,981
Today is our last interview,

1068
01:11:48,025 --> 01:11:50,375
and I want to come
to some conclusions.

1069
01:11:50,419 --> 01:11:52,508
Good. So do I.

1070
01:11:54,988 --> 01:11:56,903
I got it. All right.

1071
01:11:56,947 --> 01:11:58,383
Thank you.

1072
01:12:01,778 --> 01:12:03,997
Okay, recording.
Friday, June 3.

1073
01:12:04,041 --> 01:12:05,695
Last interview.

1074
01:12:12,354 --> 01:12:15,400
Your Italian is very good. Loyola Rome,
junior year abroad.

1075
01:12:15,444 --> 01:12:18,011
Well, that's time
well spent.

1076
01:12:18,055 --> 01:12:20,927
You gave me some pretty
disturbing news yesterday.

1077
01:12:20,971 --> 01:12:23,190
Was it news?

1078
01:12:23,234 --> 01:12:26,194
You keep saying that you're here because
I prayed, that you're here to help.

1079
01:12:26,237 --> 01:12:28,413
That's right. And yet you told me
I'm gonna die.

1080
01:12:28,457 --> 01:12:30,981
How does that help me? You're a journalist.

1081
01:12:31,024 --> 01:12:33,723
Surely you appreciate
the value of a deadline.

1082
01:12:33,766 --> 01:12:35,507
Hmm.

1083
01:12:35,551 --> 01:12:39,642
Sorry. I knew it would
get you back here. So it was just manipulation?

1084
01:12:39,685 --> 01:12:43,515
No, motivation is the word I'd use,
and here you are.

1085
01:12:43,559 --> 01:12:45,082
You were pushing me? Yes, of course.

1086
01:12:45,125 --> 01:12:46,953
Like you've been pushing me
from the start?

1087
01:12:46,997 --> 01:12:50,174
- Well, maybe you needed a push.
- Is that your job?

1088
01:12:50,217 --> 01:12:55,222
Paul, I told you, I play an active
role in the lives of all my children.

1089
01:12:55,266 --> 01:12:58,791
So let's stop wasting time on things
you already know, and let's move on.

1090
01:12:58,835 --> 01:13:00,880
Shall we?

1091
01:13:00,924 --> 01:13:03,492
And you can cross that first
question off your list.

1092
01:13:08,453 --> 01:13:10,890
Is God just a clockmaker?

1093
01:13:10,934 --> 01:13:12,588
Now you know.

1094
01:13:14,677 --> 01:13:16,940
So, this is how it works
when God answers your prayers?

1095
01:13:16,983 --> 01:13:19,508
I never said I was here
to answer your prayers.Right.

1096
01:13:19,551 --> 01:13:22,380
You said you came because I prayed,
so maybe you can see my confusion.

1097
01:13:22,424 --> 01:13:26,297
But apparently it was just
to deliver some bad news, right?

1098
01:13:26,340 --> 01:13:28,473
- 'Cause, you know, I feel fine.
- Oh?

1099
01:13:28,517 --> 01:13:30,606
Oh, are you here
to bargain with me?

1100
01:13:31,563 --> 01:13:34,174
No.Well, good.

1101
01:13:34,218 --> 01:13:36,786
Good.
Then let's move on.

1102
01:13:37,526 --> 01:13:39,397
Sure.

1103
01:13:39,441 --> 01:13:42,879
Let's talk about salvation. That's not on your list
for today, is it?

1104
01:13:42,922 --> 01:13:45,447
No.Anyway,
we discussed it yesterday.

1105
01:13:45,490 --> 01:13:48,754
I have more questions. Oh, I think we covered it
pretty well.

1106
01:13:48,798 --> 01:13:50,582
It's a big topic. Oh, I know.

1107
01:13:50,626 --> 01:13:52,758
A big topic for my readers. Mine too.

1108
01:13:52,802 --> 01:13:55,065
Okay.
So, what's the problem?

1109
01:13:55,108 --> 01:13:57,502
Apparently, we didn't
delve deeply enough.

1110
01:13:57,546 --> 01:14:00,287
Well, you know, now it feels just
a little more personal to me.

1111
01:14:00,331 --> 01:14:01,985
I thought it might.

1112
01:14:03,856 --> 01:14:07,207
Really? That's all
you got for me?

1113
01:14:07,251 --> 01:14:09,906
What more do you want? Oh, I don't know.
Some answers.

1114
01:14:11,821 --> 01:14:13,518
What was the question
again?

1115
01:14:13,562 --> 01:14:17,043
Oh, that's just perfect.
See, this is what drives good people nuts.

1116
01:14:17,087 --> 01:14:18,958
We try to be good people,
try to please you,

1117
01:14:19,002 --> 01:14:21,134
and we need some answers,
and where did you go?

1118
01:14:21,178 --> 01:14:24,398
Do you have any idea how that feels...
like you're being judged every single day?

1119
01:14:24,442 --> 01:14:26,357
All we want
is some peace of mind,

1120
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,553
but it's like you're...
I don't know... some cosmic killjoy.

1121
01:14:28,577 --> 01:14:31,536
Good, good.
Well, now we're getting somewhere.

1122
01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:33,843
Doesn't really
seem like it.

1123
01:14:33,886 --> 01:14:35,714
Paul, you think salvation
is a burden?

1124
01:14:37,063 --> 01:14:40,110
Yes. But it's not.
It's a gift.

1125
01:14:40,153 --> 01:14:44,984
You and I remember my Sunday school
education a little differently.

1126
01:14:45,028 --> 01:14:47,770
All right. Let me try
to clear it up for you. Please do.

1127
01:14:47,813 --> 01:14:50,033
You're one
of my children. So you said.

1128
01:14:50,076 --> 01:14:52,470
Now, when you're a child,
your parents have rules, right?

1129
01:14:52,514 --> 01:14:54,037
Of course.

1130
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,865
Now, as you grow up,
what happens?

1131
01:14:55,908 --> 01:15:00,565
You mean, with my parents? Yes. What changes for you,
with your parents?

1132
01:15:00,609 --> 01:15:03,655
Uh, I don't know. Less rules,
more responsibilities. Is that what you mean?

1133
01:15:03,699 --> 01:15:05,788
Yes, and more freedoms too,
right? Sure.

1134
01:15:05,831 --> 01:15:08,442
So...
I mean, do you see?

1135
01:15:08,486 --> 01:15:11,576
No! What do you...
I'm sorry. Are we...

1136
01:15:11,620 --> 01:15:13,578
We're still talking
about salvation or...?

1137
01:15:13,622 --> 01:15:16,059
All right. Let me put it
in a biblical context.

1138
01:15:16,102 --> 01:15:18,104
In the early days,
men were wicked.

1139
01:15:18,148 --> 01:15:20,063
Yes, and that didn't
work out too well for them.

1140
01:15:20,106 --> 01:15:22,718
No, salvation wasn't possible
then like it is now.

1141
01:15:22,761 --> 01:15:25,459
But I gave you another chance.
A new set of rules.

1142
01:15:25,503 --> 01:15:26,852
Moses. That's right.

1143
01:15:26,896 --> 01:15:28,854
Now, the law was clear,

1144
01:15:28,898 --> 01:15:32,031
but still the path to me
was indirect and difficult.

1145
01:15:32,075 --> 01:15:35,034
But all that changed one day
long ago in Bethlehem.

1146
01:15:35,078 --> 01:15:38,255
And it was good news.
But it was also the start of a new covenant.

1147
01:15:38,298 --> 01:15:40,779
A new way.Yes.

1148
01:15:40,823 --> 01:15:43,782
For example, Moses
had ten commandments,

1149
01:15:43,826 --> 01:15:46,002
but later Jesus only mentioned
six on two occasions.

1150
01:15:46,045 --> 01:15:48,221
I know the controversy.Yes.

1151
01:15:48,265 --> 01:15:52,399
Now, when asked how a man can enter heaven,
Jesus said, "You shall not murder.

1152
01:15:52,443 --> 01:15:55,838
You shall not steal.
You shall not commit adultery.

1153
01:15:55,881 --> 01:15:58,057
You shall not bear
false witness.

1154
01:15:58,101 --> 01:16:00,886
Honor thy father and mother.
Love your neighbor as yourself."

1155
01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:03,106
In Matthew and Mark.
Yes, I know.

1156
01:16:03,149 --> 01:16:05,978
He left four off the list. The first four. Yes, I know.

1157
01:16:06,022 --> 01:16:08,894
Yes, the four that deal with
man's relationship to God.

1158
01:16:08,938 --> 01:16:11,941
Now, what does that
tell you?

1159
01:16:11,984 --> 01:16:15,205
I'll assume it's not a typo. Now come on.
Think about it.

1160
01:16:15,248 --> 01:16:19,122
What's more likely... Jesus just
forgot four of the Ten Commandments,

1161
01:16:19,165 --> 01:16:22,255
or Jesus knew the world was changing,
that he was changing it,

1162
01:16:22,299 --> 01:16:24,693
and he didn't feel he needed
to remind his followers

1163
01:16:24,736 --> 01:16:29,001
that the Sabbath Day is holy,
or that there is only one true God?

1164
01:16:29,045 --> 01:16:31,787
And was he right? About what?

1165
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:33,745
God. Well, look around.

1166
01:16:33,789 --> 01:16:36,139
Know many polytheists
these days?

1167
01:16:40,317 --> 01:16:43,799
And you can cross that question
off your list as well.

1168
01:16:45,409 --> 01:16:47,237
Are you
the one true God?

1169
01:16:48,804 --> 01:16:50,980
Are we clear?

1170
01:16:52,546 --> 01:16:55,767
This is all very interesting,
but I still don't see the me in it.

1171
01:16:55,811 --> 01:16:59,118
Okay. How's this
for a headline?

1172
01:16:59,162 --> 01:17:03,122
Your life is not an audition
for the afterlife,

1173
01:17:03,166 --> 01:17:05,690
and if you can stop
worrying about that,

1174
01:17:05,734 --> 01:17:07,910
you just might have time
for other things.

1175
01:17:07,953 --> 01:17:10,739
Things like loving one
another and living your life.

1176
01:17:10,782 --> 01:17:12,915
However long that is.
Yeah.

1177
01:17:12,958 --> 01:17:15,308
Paul, I've given you
a great gift.

1178
01:17:15,352 --> 01:17:18,485
A new justification,
a new responsibility.

1179
01:17:18,529 --> 01:17:22,707
But it's up to you to receive
my gift before it's too late.

1180
01:17:22,751 --> 01:17:24,535
See, right there.

1181
01:17:24,578 --> 01:17:27,253
You say you're here to help me,
but that kind of sounds like a threat.

1182
01:17:27,277 --> 01:17:29,714
Why can't I do two things
at the same time, hmm?

1183
01:17:31,194 --> 01:17:33,109
For thousands of years,
Paul,

1184
01:17:33,152 --> 01:17:36,155
I have been trying to help
you find your way to me.

1185
01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:39,550
Now, did I always succeed?
Well, ask Noah.

1186
01:17:39,593 --> 01:17:41,987
Was I too vengeful
back then? Maybe.

1187
01:17:42,031 --> 01:17:45,164
But there's never a real threat
without a real consequence.

1188
01:17:45,208 --> 01:17:47,036
So, you are here
to threaten me.

1189
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:48,733
Is that what
you really think?

1190
01:17:48,777 --> 01:17:51,867
Either way, I'm hoping for a
better outcome than in Noah's day.

1191
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:55,305
Oh, me too. Back then,
it took a flood.

1192
01:17:55,348 --> 01:17:59,396
Now it's just you and me in this
room with that digital recorder.

1193
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,356
Not what comes to mind when you
think divine intervention, is it?

1194
01:18:08,318 --> 01:18:10,233
No, not really.

1195
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,022
You know,
my editor was worried that I'm in danger.

1196
01:18:17,066 --> 01:18:19,068
I have the same concern.

1197
01:18:19,111 --> 01:18:21,984
I think he...
I think he means danger from you.

1198
01:18:23,289 --> 01:18:24,856
Am I in danger?

1199
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:28,425
What have we been talking about
for the past three days, Paul?

1200
01:18:28,468 --> 01:18:29,426
You.Stop.

1201
01:18:29,469 --> 01:18:30,688
You.Please.

1202
01:18:30,732 --> 01:18:33,082
You're the one... Stop. Please, stop.

1203
01:18:33,125 --> 01:18:36,563
Pardon me? Please stop!

1204
01:18:36,607 --> 01:18:40,132
- You're upset.
- Yes! It's been three days. Of course I'm upset.

1205
01:18:40,176 --> 01:18:42,047
What did you think
my reaction would be?

1206
01:18:42,091 --> 01:18:45,007
- But you knew that, didn't you? Didn't you?
- Yes.

1207
01:18:45,050 --> 01:18:48,924
- So you admit it.
- I'm amazed you lasted this long.

1208
01:18:49,794 --> 01:18:52,231
Paul.

1209
01:18:52,275 --> 01:18:55,234
You thought you had an
interview with the Almighty.

1210
01:18:55,278 --> 01:18:57,933
No one in their right mind
would believe that.

1211
01:18:57,976 --> 01:19:01,327
But here you are,
day three, back for more?

1212
01:19:01,371 --> 01:19:04,983
And please, don't hand me,
"I thought it would be a good story," please.

1213
01:19:05,027 --> 01:19:07,116
Yeah, well, I did.Paul.

1214
01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:10,119
You are clearly in the midst
of a personal crisis.

1215
01:19:10,162 --> 01:19:13,296
So, I come along,
I offer you an interview with God,

1216
01:19:13,339 --> 01:19:15,864
and that's all it takes
for you to bite?

1217
01:19:15,907 --> 01:19:19,128
Really? Paul, what does that
tell you about yourself?

1218
01:19:19,171 --> 01:19:21,260
That's not fair. Fair?

1219
01:19:21,304 --> 01:19:23,872
I've been doing you a favor
these past few days, Paul.

1220
01:19:23,915 --> 01:19:26,918
I've given you something to think
about other than your own life.

1221
01:19:26,962 --> 01:19:29,181
So what, this is
some big, elaborate con?

1222
01:19:29,225 --> 01:19:31,836
Oh, would that
really surprise you?

1223
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,882
I can't believe this.
You told me you were God.

1224
01:19:33,925 --> 01:19:35,840
That's right.

1225
01:19:35,884 --> 01:19:39,104
And if you didn't want it to be true,
you and I would not be here right now.

1226
01:19:41,150 --> 01:19:44,240
You forgot
to turn off your phone.Yeah.

1227
01:19:44,283 --> 01:19:46,851
And now you're leaving.Yes.

1228
01:20:21,755 --> 01:20:23,279
Oh, excuse me.Hey.

1229
01:20:23,322 --> 01:20:25,107
Hi.Hi. Yes.
What do you need?

1230
01:20:25,150 --> 01:20:28,458
- Uh, I was in this room, 22.
- Uh, sorry. In that room?

1231
01:20:28,501 --> 01:20:30,895
Yeah, do you know
whose office this is?

1232
01:20:30,939 --> 01:20:33,332
I thought
that was storage. No?

1233
01:20:34,507 --> 01:20:36,031
Uh...

1234
01:20:39,948 --> 01:20:41,863
What do you know?

1235
01:20:41,906 --> 01:20:43,865
Uh, who are you
looking for?

1236
01:20:43,908 --> 01:20:45,388
Maybe they have the keys.

1237
01:20:46,650 --> 01:20:48,478
Uh, never mind.
Thank you.

1238
01:21:10,674 --> 01:21:13,677
Who are you? Have a seat, Paul.
Let's talk about it.

1239
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,027
- No. Tell me who you are.
- I really think you should...

1240
01:21:16,071 --> 01:21:18,856
- Who are you?
- You know who I am.

1241
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:22,033
- The prince of lies?
- Think back over the past three days, Paul.

1242
01:21:22,077 --> 01:21:24,993
- Have I told you one lie?
- Yes.

1243
01:21:25,036 --> 01:21:27,256
No. I don't know. Well, which is it?

1244
01:21:27,299 --> 01:21:29,562
I don't know!
Everything you said could have been a lie.

1245
01:21:29,606 --> 01:21:31,869
But every word was true,
and you know it.

1246
01:21:31,913 --> 01:21:33,784
You told me you were God.Yes.

1247
01:21:33,827 --> 01:21:35,394
- TheGod.
- That's right.

1248
01:21:35,438 --> 01:21:38,223
Bad news. According to my friend, you're dead.

1249
01:21:38,267 --> 01:21:41,052
I understand, but sometimes
that's just how it looks.

1250
01:21:41,096 --> 01:21:43,750
I promise you, God lives.

1251
01:21:43,794 --> 01:21:46,884
I can't believe I agreed to this.
Why did you even contact me?

1252
01:21:46,928 --> 01:21:48,973
You contacted me.

1253
01:21:49,017 --> 01:21:51,106
What are you talking about? You did.

1254
01:21:51,149 --> 01:21:54,239
What? You contacted me. Three days,
three interviews, three locations.

1255
01:21:54,283 --> 01:21:57,199
- And how did I do that?
- What? You contacted me!

1256
01:21:57,242 --> 01:21:59,462
And how did I
contact you?

1257
01:21:59,505 --> 01:22:02,552
Did I call you or send you a letter?
Was it an e-mail? Snapchat?

1258
01:22:02,595 --> 01:22:04,119
How?

1259
01:22:05,685 --> 01:22:08,123
You-You... You s...

1260
01:22:09,907 --> 01:22:11,213
I don't know.

1261
01:22:12,170 --> 01:22:13,955
Paul, think about it.

1262
01:22:16,174 --> 01:22:18,872
No, this can't be happening.

1263
01:22:18,916 --> 01:22:20,613
But it is.

1264
01:22:20,657 --> 01:22:23,355
So please, why don't you sit down,
and we can talk about it.

1265
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:25,575
- I'm just here to help you.
- Help?

1266
01:22:25,618 --> 01:22:28,099
Yes. That's a laugh.
How have you helped?

1267
01:22:28,143 --> 01:22:31,842
By stopping you from making a very
bad decision, by keeping you safe.

1268
01:22:31,885 --> 01:22:33,104
Safe? Yes.

1269
01:22:33,148 --> 01:22:35,367
You told me I was gonna die.Yes.

1270
01:22:35,411 --> 01:22:37,979
- You were gonna tell me when.
- Yes, but you already knew.

1271
01:22:38,022 --> 01:22:40,851
What are you talking about?
How could I know? How could I possibly know?

1272
01:22:40,894 --> 01:22:43,332
You knew exactly when.
How could I know?

1273
01:22:43,375 --> 01:22:47,336
Because it was going to happen
by your own hand, Paul.

1274
01:22:49,512 --> 01:22:51,601
No.

1275
01:22:53,211 --> 01:22:56,867
No, you don't know that.

1276
01:22:56,910 --> 01:23:00,740
There aren't always signs
when someone is in trouble.

1277
01:23:00,784 --> 01:23:02,525
But you can't hide
from me.

1278
01:23:04,048 --> 01:23:06,007
Why are you doing this to me?

1279
01:23:06,050 --> 01:23:08,444
You've just
lost your way.

1280
01:23:08,487 --> 01:23:11,577
No, you let this happen to me. How so?

1281
01:23:11,621 --> 01:23:13,362
I prayed. I prayed.

1282
01:23:13,405 --> 01:23:15,059
I know. I begged you for help.

1283
01:23:15,103 --> 01:23:18,367
And you think bad things happen
to you because I don't care?

1284
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:21,370
You didn't listen. Bad things happen
all the time.

1285
01:23:21,413 --> 01:23:25,591
Every day.
Every minute of every day.

1286
01:23:25,635 --> 01:23:28,203
You know that.
You said it yourself.

1287
01:23:28,246 --> 01:23:30,379
And it's very sad.

1288
01:23:30,422 --> 01:23:33,034
But the truth is,
most people only seem to notice bad things

1289
01:23:33,077 --> 01:23:36,037
when they happen to them.

1290
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,561
And maybe that's
the saddest part of all.

1291
01:23:39,692 --> 01:23:42,086
You really need to sit.

1292
01:23:42,130 --> 01:23:44,175
Why don't you help us?

1293
01:23:44,219 --> 01:23:47,309
I hear you.
I hear it all.

1294
01:23:47,352 --> 01:23:50,225
Why is there war,
starvation, poverty,

1295
01:23:50,268 --> 01:23:52,705
disease, fire, flood,

1296
01:23:52,749 --> 01:23:56,013
a child goes missing,
a man loses hope?

1297
01:23:56,057 --> 01:23:57,710
Do something! Yes, do something.

1298
01:23:57,754 --> 01:24:00,844
You have more power
than you know, Paul.

1299
01:24:00,887 --> 01:24:05,544
Food can be grown.
Diseases can be cured. Wars ended.

1300
01:24:05,588 --> 01:24:07,894
A troubled veteran
can be helped

1301
01:24:07,938 --> 01:24:10,767
and a marriage saved.

1302
01:24:10,810 --> 01:24:14,901
So, when you ask me why
all this is happening,

1303
01:24:14,945 --> 01:24:16,860
start by looking
to each other.

1304
01:24:16,903 --> 01:24:20,211
And that's where I'll be. No, I need a miracle.

1305
01:24:20,255 --> 01:24:22,866
Well, miracles happen
every day. And sometimes...

1306
01:24:22,909 --> 01:24:24,346
Please.

1307
01:24:24,389 --> 01:24:26,826
Sometimes
the miracle is you.

1308
01:24:27,827 --> 01:24:29,438
Wh-What's happening?

1309
01:24:30,308 --> 01:24:31,657
You never know.

1310
01:24:31,701 --> 01:24:33,920
No.

1311
01:24:36,445 --> 01:24:37,533
No.

1312
01:24:37,576 --> 01:24:40,449
My salvation. Give it time.

1313
01:24:40,492 --> 01:24:42,581
I told you,

1314
01:24:42,625 --> 01:24:47,804
sometimes bad things do happen
to some very good people.

1315
01:25:56,612 --> 01:25:59,658
Guess I'm walking.

1316
01:26:31,516 --> 01:26:34,258
Hey, Matt.
What happened today?

1317
01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:38,044
Great.

1318
01:26:38,088 --> 01:26:40,656
Wow, great!

1319
01:26:40,699 --> 01:26:43,441
No, no. It's fine.
Just a phone number.

1320
01:26:44,921 --> 01:26:48,533
Okay.

1321
01:26:48,577 --> 01:26:51,057
Okay.

1322
01:26:51,101 --> 01:26:52,755
It was a miracle.
It was a miracle.

1323
01:26:52,798 --> 01:26:54,974
Who am I to say
it wasn't, right?

1324
01:26:56,324 --> 01:26:58,413
No, you were due.

1325
01:26:59,544 --> 01:27:01,546
Sarah?

1326
01:27:01,590 --> 01:27:04,288
Yeah, okay, I'll tell her.

1327
01:27:04,332 --> 01:27:06,464
Yeah, I will tell her.
Yeah. Yeah.

1328
01:27:07,770 --> 01:27:10,425
I'm glad.
I'm very happy for you.

1329
01:27:11,643 --> 01:27:13,950
Of course.

1330
01:27:13,993 --> 01:27:15,778
All right, brother.
Bye.

1331
01:27:15,821 --> 01:27:17,432
See you soon. Bye.

1332
01:27:43,109 --> 01:27:44,894
Hi.

1333
01:27:46,156 --> 01:27:48,289
Hi.

1334
01:27:52,118 --> 01:27:54,295
It's good to see you.

1335
01:27:56,122 --> 01:27:58,299
Where's your bike?

1336
01:27:58,342 --> 01:28:00,997
No idea.

1337
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,521
What happened?

1338
01:28:03,565 --> 01:28:05,654
It's just, uh, gone.

1339
01:28:08,961 --> 01:28:11,573
- You love that bike.
- It's just a bike.

1340
01:28:12,748 --> 01:28:15,316
What happened
to your hand?

1341
01:28:15,359 --> 01:28:19,145
Oh, uh... I broke one
of the jadeite cups.

1342
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:21,583
Are you okay? Yeah, it'll heal.

1343
01:28:24,499 --> 01:28:27,893
Sorry about the cup.

1344
01:28:27,937 --> 01:28:29,852
It was just a cup.

1345
01:28:36,206 --> 01:28:37,686
Are you okay?

1346
01:28:43,866 --> 01:28:45,389
Yeah.

1347
01:28:48,131 --> 01:28:49,611
Listen, I...

1348
01:28:52,483 --> 01:28:54,529
I just came to apologize.

1349
01:28:56,226 --> 01:28:57,706
I'm sorry.

1350
01:29:06,105 --> 01:29:08,020
I'm so ashamed.

1351
01:29:35,831 --> 01:29:37,441
I loved you.

1352
01:29:40,096 --> 01:29:43,142
I still... love you.

1353
01:29:50,933 --> 01:29:52,674
I forgive you.

1354
01:30:12,171 --> 01:30:14,043
I should get going.

1355
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:19,962
Bye.Stop.

1356
01:30:26,577 --> 01:30:28,797
May I ask you something?

1357
01:30:33,105 --> 01:30:35,281
Do you think that you
coming back here today

1358
01:30:35,325 --> 01:30:37,588
is a...

1359
01:30:37,632 --> 01:30:39,808
was some sort of sign?

1360
01:30:47,642 --> 01:30:51,384
Sarah! You're back.
Told ya.

1361
01:30:51,428 --> 01:30:54,518
Echinacea.
Stuff's great.

1362
01:30:54,562 --> 01:30:57,434
Echinacea? Yep.
It's the miracle cure.

1363
01:30:57,478 --> 01:31:01,569
Miracles. Hey,
they happen every day.

1364
01:31:09,446 --> 01:31:11,230
Can we talk?

1365
01:31:12,449 --> 01:31:13,972
Inside?

1366
01:31:15,539 --> 01:31:18,847
Uh... yeah.

1367
01:31:19,630 --> 01:31:21,545
I'd like that.

1368
01:31:28,900 --> 01:31:29,900
Sarah.

1369
01:31:33,426 --> 01:31:35,298
I love you too.

1370
01:32:08,287 --> 01:32:11,856
Having faith isn't worth much if you don't really believe.

1371
01:32:11,900 --> 01:32:13,902
I kept praying, sure,

1372
01:32:13,945 --> 01:32:17,558
but I stopped looking or even listening.

1373
01:32:33,704 --> 01:32:37,926
What could you possibly do that would be beyond my powers to forgive?

1374
01:32:44,585 --> 01:32:47,370
So, yeah, I see it now.

1375
01:32:50,155 --> 01:32:52,027
Definitely a sign.